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Hi Lou, thank you for the suggestions

Ok, I agree with your last statement. But forgive me I don't think it's exactly what I was asking. The reason for my question was that something very similar was asked by a vegan friend and another vegan quoted the following as potentially relevant. That said, I agree with Veganite that this...

I asked a question to see what people in the vegan community thought about what I admit could be a meaningless question, I've spoken to people who don't think it's meaningless. I've said what I think, you may as well close the thread, thank you to all that have answered

It's ok, I don't mind being judged, people judge others all the time for all kinds of reasons. I was just saying what I've seen in reply to Pops' questions

Thank you Lou for your reply. It is an interesting topic. I have a vegan friend who can't bear the thought of feeding her cats other animals, insects could be an alternative, are there others that you know of?

Could this be the healthy, sustainable and ethical choice, if not now, in the near future?

A friend of mine is a sheep farmer, she is very good and caring. I've watched the lambs and they don't appear to have a bad life, obviously it is short. They don't know they are going to die.

Ok, I misunderstood what question, no I don't agree it is totally meaningless

Obviously not and that's not what I mean. I did mention a lamb earlier as a possible example of a life worth living. The standard of welfare has to be high to even contemplate that it's ok. It would be nice to hear something other than the usual stereotypes but I won't hold my breath

I think it is better to have existed than not

Possibly. For some animals they might be safer in captivity. I see pros and cons

I think this is relevant to some of the philosophical points that have been raised The Repugnant Conclusion (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Ok, thank you :)

Yes, I'm not in a position to refute what you say, and I'm not insisting anything I'm asking a question, I understand that asking questions can seem provocative but that's a risk I'm willing to take to get my head round this

I don't understand why a short life is not better than no life

It seems to me to be a case of pros and cons, nothing is black or white, I'm trying to figure it out, I value all opinions

To me, causing suffering is more reprehensible than killing

Thanks for your answer. I don't think you can assume that they are all tortured. Regards greenhouse gas emissions, I have heard those claims I was wrong about veganism. Let them eat meat (but farm it right) | George Monbiot | Opinion | The Guardian If Vegans Replaced Plants With Insects, They'd...

Hehe, thanks for the story Roger. Ok, would it be better for the lamb to have had a short life rather than none?

I think it's good that you don't feel you have to preach to be a vegan