Amway?

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Has anyone on VV had any experience buying products from Amway? (I have not.)

There's a fellow I bump into periodically who has an Amway distributorship, and a matching website.

It looks like the products there are quite expensive. For example, they sell a multivitamin. It is $95 for one month's supply.
 
Has anyone on VV had any experience buying products from Amway? (I have not.)

There's a fellow I bump into periodically who has an Amway distributorship, and a matching website.

It looks like the products there are quite expensive. For example, they sell a multivitamin. It is $95 for one month's supply.

:eek:

What are they, magic vitamins? I'd pay $95 for a year's supply (that works out to about $8 a month), but never for a single month's supply. This screams "rip-off" to me.
 
Has anyone on VV had any experience buying products from Amway? (I have not.)

There's a fellow I bump into periodically who has an Amway distributorship, and a matching website.

It looks like the products there are quite expensive. For example, they sell a multivitamin. It is $95 for one month's supply.
Yeah! Several years ago we had a bunch of Amway products & samples as I recall. I mean, it IS a Michigan company.... ;)
 
Yeah! Several years ago we had a bunch of Amway products & samples as I recall. I mean, it IS a Michigan company.... ;)

So, what did you think of their products? It seems that if you are an Amway distributor, Amway places great emphasis on getting your "buddies" to buy from you.
 
So, what did you think of their products? It seems that if you are an Amway distributor, Amway places great emphasis on getting your "buddies" to buy from you.
We got these products/samples while staying at the Amway Grand Plaza Hotel in Grand Rapids for a national theatre convention. I don't really remember what we got... trial-sized stuff like tiny pressurized cans of lens cleaner, etc. LOL :shrug:

Are you looking for anything in particular?? I doubt there's anything Amway has that other stores/companies don't. ;)
 
I recall it being called an MLM/cult?

Search Amway cult and you'll get pages of links.
 
I thought Amway was one of those pyramid scams. Too tired to look it up, ha.
 
Well, it's a pyramid distribution system, but not a "scam".

They want to sell real products to the people within their "pyramid", and there is not necessarily something wrong with that.

"Pyramid scams" typically make people who come later (hence "down in the pyramid") pay money to people who came earlier and are above them. Works like a charm as long as there are still new people coming and paying the old people. However, it is clear to everybody that - as the amount of people to join is finite - at the moment nobody new joins everybody who is then "at the bottom" loses whatever they have paid in and do not get a return for. It's basically just a gamble to get into the scheme early enough in order not to get cought up in its collapse, and people who try that who are smart enough to understand the principle likely deserve to be ripped off if they miscalculate the right timing for their unethical behaviour...

If the people at the bottom of the Amway pyramid need to buy detergent anyway to wash their dishes, and buy it from the people above them, then they are not necessarily worse off than if they bought their detergent in a normal store. Arguably the lack of a storefront and a dedicated salesforce helps Amway and others (e.g. Tupperware) to keep costs down and offer their products at an attractive price.

But yes, my personal experience with people I know suggests that a lot of people might be attracted by the possibility to get rich themselves, and end up "just" buying their detergents from a different company, which does not harm them other than that they might have hoped for more. I know, e.g., of one cosmetics chain that asks new "members" to buy a "demonstration case" which they can then use to market the products to their friends, and many of those potential millionaires simply end up using those "demonstration cases" themselves for their own makeup, which they likely would not have bought if not for the hope to make some money from it.
 
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The reason distribution companies like Amway and Tupperware exist in the first place dates from a very different time and very different America. In the mid 20th century, you had American families by the thousands moving far away from the usual large population centers such as NYC, where you could get what you needed down at the corner store, and you had busy middle-class housewives who rarely had time for leisurely shopping, especially when they had kids to take care of, so, taking a page from the peddlers of the 19th century, companies sprung up that took their products to the customer rather than waiting for the customers to come to them. Amway distributors, Avon ladies, Tupperware parties, Mary Kay saleswomen, Fuller Brush salesmen, etc., these were all a familiar part of postwar America. But why would modern Americans, who can tap a button or two on their smartphone and have their favorite laundry detergent arrive at their doorstep in a couple of hours or a couple of days, embrace an old-fashioned business model that made more sense to their mothers and grandmothers? That's why they're considered scams now, because, in their view, only those aiming to get rich quick would want to participate.

I'm honestly surprised these companies still exist. I would have thought they'd be completely killed off by the internet, just like a lot of other businesses. Maybe it's more nostalgia than anything else that keeps them going.
 
Amway is different than most MLM's though, they're aggressive and lie about what can be made.

Here's Dateline's investigation of them, sorry the quality is bad. Quixtar is another name of Amway:


This is somewhat of a transcript of the video:
In pursuit of the almighty dollar
 
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I don't think Avon or Tupperware are that bad. They don't make false promises and it's fun for bored housewives.

I sold Avon long ago, or I should say I bought a lot of Avon and sold a little bit. :p I went to meetings and they would talk about upcoming products and suggestions for who would like certain products, and what to mention about them, nothing I didn't hear working retail. They never gave false promises of being rich. I eventually quit when I got bored, and then joined again years later. But not to sell, but so I could get the new products at the demo price. ;) It's too bad they test on animals now.
 
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Very interesting article!

I didn't know much about Amway other than that my wifes brother in Taiwan is quite successful with it and makes a lot of money from it - in addition to his daytime job as a civil servant - and that an army buddy once tried to "recruit" me to become an Amway distributor in my home country Austria.

I declined at that time because I thought it would be weird to meet my friends and family and think about how I could get them to buy "my" brand of detergent (again the logic, does it matter very much whether you use detergent xyz from the supermarket, or some other product?). Guess the fact that this felt weird to me only proves that I would not be a successful Amway rep, anyway.

But it seems from the article that Amway might be much more agressive and permeating different layers of society in the US... the Dc Vos family being among Trumps most ardent supporters sends me a clear message here.
 
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A couple of points:

1) I never said that Amway was a pyramid scheme or pyramid scam. And I also never said that it was not a pyramid scheme.

2) According to Wikipedia,

It has several times been subject to investigation in various countries, by institutions such as the United States Federal Trade Commission (FTC), for alleged pyramid scheme related practices.[7][8][9][10][11]

3) The phrase "pyramid scheme" is used in various senses. In the strict sense, a pyramid scheme is defined by law and is illegal in the United States (as well as in many other countries).

In a 1979 ruling,[21][106] the Federal Trade Commission found that Amway does not fit the definition of a pyramid scheme because (a) distributors were not paid to recruit people, (b) it did not require distributors to buy a large stock of unmoving inventory, (c) distributors were required to maintain retail sales (at least 10 per month), and (d) the company and all distributors were required to accept returns of excess inventory from down-level distributors.[107][108]

The FTC did, however, find Amway "guilty of price-fixing and making exaggerated income claims";[109] the company was ordered to stop retail price fixing and allocating customers among distributors and was prohibited from misrepresenting the amount of profit, earnings or sales its distributors are likely to achieve with the business. Amway was ordered to accompany any such statements with the actual averages per distributor, pointing out that more than half of the distributors do not make any money, with the average distributor making less than $100 per month. The order was violated with a 1986 ad campaign, resulting in a $100,000 fine.[110][111]

Amway - Wikipedia

4) "It is my opinion that the Amway business is run in a manner parallel to that of major organized crime groups, in particular the Mafia." Robert Blakey, Professor or Law, Notre Dame Law School. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/blakey_report.pdf
 
Perhaps I should explain that the fellow who runs the Amway distributorship (Terence) also belongs to a group (whose name I do not know) that I will call Organization X. Organization X meets weekly at a local Holiday Inn. I have attended a meeting of this organization, and pyramid schemes were pretty openly advocated by this organization (although the phrase "pyramid scheme" was never used).

I do not know what the relationship is between Organization X and Amway, and do not particularly want to know at this point.
Neither is something that I want to get involved in.
 
The reason distribution companies like Amway and Tupperware exist in the first place dates from a very different time and very different America. In the mid 20th century, you had American families by the thousands moving far away from the usual large population centers such as NYC, where you could get what you needed down at the corner store, and you had busy middle-class housewives who rarely had time for leisurely shopping, especially when they had kids to take care of, so, taking a page from the peddlers of the 19th century, companies sprung up that took their products to the customer rather than waiting for the customers to come to them. Amway distributors, Avon ladies, Tupperware parties, Mary Kay saleswomen, Fuller Brush salesmen, etc., these were all a familiar part of postwar America. But why would modern Americans, who can tap a button or two on their smartphone and have their favorite laundry detergent arrive at their doorstep in a couple of hours or a couple of days, embrace an old-fashioned business model that made more sense to their mothers and grandmothers? That's why they're considered scams now, because, in their view, only those aiming to get rich quick would want to participate.

I think your comments are highly perceptive, Amy.

When I was last at my hair stylist, I tried to buy a particular product. "I used to have one of these from Fuller Brush, but lost it," I said. "What is Fuller Brush?" she replied. (And she is about 50, so I thought she would know.)
 
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