I blame PETA... It's about the $

[JacobEdward]

I'd like this to be taken as a continuation of this post https://www.veganforum.org/threads/socialism-vs-capitalism-in-terms-of-vegan-activism.16305/

Financial Reports | PETAwww.peta.org › About PETA › All About PETA
Total Operating Expenses, $59,591,277 ... illustrated by the fact that 82.88% of our operating expenses went directly to our programs fighting animal exploitation.

From the google search result meta data ^^
As of today their website says they got $63,804,688 contributions in 2020...


The cost of a 350 watt motor was $50 on ebay...
At what point does not choosing the larger ROI become a betrayal to the animals? If PETA were to organize something like that they would always run out of money before running out of vegans willing to volunteer...

 

[JacobEdward]

 

[JacobEdward]

Ask your vegan friends if they would want to do the vegan touring MASH unit thing if PETA paid for the materials

 

[Lou]

Then there is this

35 Things That Aren't Happening Today Because of PETA | PETA

Here are just a few of the things you'll never see again because of PETA's work.

www.peta.org

 

[Lou]

As a member of PETA, I find your criticism of them wild, unfounded and a bit nutty.

I'm not sure if I would even be a vegan but for some of the ways PETA has brought attention to animal cruelty.
And PETA has given me so much good info.

If you are so sure you want to go on a tour then go ahead. but its not PETAs fault that they don't support you.

 

[JacobEdward]

As a member of PETA, I find your criticism of them wild, unfounded and a bit nutty.

I'm not sure if I would even be a vegan but for some of the ways PETA has brought attention to animal cruelty.
And PETA has given me so much good info.

If you are so sure you want to go on a tour then go ahead. but its not PETAs fault that they don't support you.

It most certainly is their fault that they're not supporting vegan activists on tour... when you look at the $ and you compare ROI and you get how if PETA collected tangible resources that accumulated every year instead of completely burned on commercials or pamphlets or anything that isnt the max ROI... this isn't rocket science... just because you're not interested doesnt mean others aren't, or would be if they weren't wasting their lives with ******** jobs that should be done by machines by now... industrial robotic car wash while taco bell is still staffed by people...

and next year someone else can take the solar electric bicycle RV thing if I'm taking a year off or whatever... PETA... wtf

 

[JacobEdward]

There is some tongue in my cheek I admit... the list of things has some value, its just, is it all in the name of trying to create this culture where people will ask at the board meetings if they will get sued... as long as they're afraid of being sued or bothered they might not do it but otherwise we have totally given up on an actual vegan philosophical reform ... why is that ... its like I'm asked to accept that as a given at the very beginning ...

 

[JacobEdward]

I blame PETA... its about the $

www.veggieboards.com

 

[silva]

I'd like this to be taken as a continuation of this post https://www.veganforum.org/threads/socialism-vs-capitalism-in-terms-of-vegan-activism.16305/

From the google search result meta data ^^
As of today their website says they got $63,804,688 contributions in 2020...

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The cost of a 350 watt motor was $50 on ebay...
At what point does not choosing the larger ROI become a betrayal to the animals? If PETA were to organize something like that they would always run out of money before running out of vegans willing to volunteer...

No conspiracy, it's been 14 hours in an approval que. Calm down.
You should request a moderator position there, as they have no one.

 

[JacobEdward]

No conspiracy, it's been 14 hours in an approval que. Calm down.

lol, yes, tongue and cheek... tyranny online is always a tongue and cheek thing... but I do have a point if you dont want to deflect

You should request a moderator position there, as they have no one.

wow, thats crazy... 72k?

 

[JacobEdward]

No conspiracy, it's been 14 hours in an approval que. Calm down.
You should request a moderator position there, as they have no one.

btw, wrong thread

 

[silva]

btw, wrong thread

It's the link you provided

 

[VeganAnon]

Peta is why I became vegan. When questioning things , they came up and the info scarred me into veganism. However as life goes on and I grew as a person, not a fan of how PETA does things.

 

[poivron]

Peta is why I became vegan. When questioning things , they came up and the info scarred me into veganism. However as life goes on and I grew as a person, not a fan of how PETA does things.

I was not a fan of PETA in the past, so I became a member of one of the other vegan organizations. Then, I learned that the organization I was supporting was a sexist organization that not only did not promote women but created a hostile workplace for its female members. I looked around online and found that many vegan organizations were sexist. (Note that although most vegans are female, few vegan organizations are led by women, and few vegan spokespersons are female. Unfortunately, our society is still disgustingly sexist. No matter how feminist we are, we all prefer being led by and lectured by men; we do not like it when women speak out or do things that are inconsistent with the female ideal of a woman who knows her place, keeps her mouth shut, and doesn't rock the boat.)

I found some vegan organizations that were led by women or had women in their top ranks, but they were small organizations, and it wasn't clear that they were effective at expanding veganism. I don't have a huge amount of money and didn't want to give it to an organization that wasn't getting things done. So I did more research and found that PETA, in fact, has accomplished more in terms of expanding veganism and reducing animal suffering than any other vegan organization. I am now a proud member of PETA. I feel that the money I donate to them every time I feel powerless about what is being done to animals is money well-spent.

PETA's Milestones | PETA

Since its inception in 1980, PETA has continually won groundbreaking victories in behalf of animals. Here's a look at some of PETA's milestones.

www.peta.org

See Our Latest Victories | PETA

Every year, with the help of generous supporters, PETA is able to secure victories for animals.

www.peta.org

 

[Lou]

So I did more research and found that PETA, in fact, has accomplished more in terms of expanding veganism and reducing animal suffering than any other vegan organization.

That is absolutely true. Plus PETAs top person IS a woman.
Some people criticize PETA for some of their sexy ad campaigns. Exploiting women.
But in PETAs list of things to happen - getting noticed is number one. I'm pretty sure they have believe the motto, There is no such thing as bad publicity.

They do spend a lot of their budget on promoting memberships. Not as much as the HSUS but still a lot. If there was some way to calculate effectiveness of each dollar spent, a small animal sanctuary might be a lot more effective/$. But I think your are right - the total amount of good they have done is larger than almost anything else. The HSUS has a much bigger budget but it is debatable how much good they actually do.

Those are good links you provided, but not something to be overlooked is their promotion of veganism. Like me, a lot of vegans first got started after reading something about PETA.

 

[LoreD]

I would like to respond to the criticism of PETA.

I lived in a 3 story condo development in suburban Chicago. There were too many squirrels, and they had started to burrow into the roof area. The condo manager hired a "humane" removal company to trap the squirrels, take them out to forest preserves, and release them.

The only problem was that the company just left the traps up on the roof, and then never came back to pick up the squirrels. We could hear the squirrels frantically shaking the cages.

I called the condo emergency number. No response.

I called the police. They laughed at me.

I called the company. It went to voicemail, and nobody called back.

I called PETA at 9 pm. I explained the situation. They asked if some PETA volunteers could bring ladders and get the squirrels down. I said that they wouldn't be able to climb up 40 feet on ladders.

They said that they would start making calls. An hour later a police officer arrived and said that PETA had registered a complaint, and he assured me that even though it was the weekend, that the property manager would be coming , in the morning, with a maintenance man to get those dying squirrels off the roof.

The next morning, two police officers arrived and supervised the removal and release of the squirrels. They said PETA was waiting for their report.

PETA spoke to the property manager, and said that they would be coordinating with them regarding humane methods of squirrel removal.

The company was placed on a "watch list" and PETA volunteers were following some of their service people to see if this was a regular practice.

I can't say enough good things about my experience with PETA. They really do care.