Is it worth investing in particle physics?

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...and other forms of higher mathematics that don't really have any practical advantage at the moment?

The way I see it, they will likely have a use in the future, and we need to start preparing for that by creating the knowledge base that will sustain it, even if it means spending millions on projects such as particle accelerators that don't really offer any application right now.

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well, yes, it is worth it. You can't always build on what you already know, so it is a good idea to try to discover what you don't know.
 
I understand what you're getting at, and I agree with Bobbenstein completely, but....

...and other forms of higher mathematics that don't really have any practical advantage at the moment?

Not at all true! Particle physics is used in the medical industry extensively (radiotherapy treatments use particle accelerators, diagnostics use particle detectors (such as PET scans) etc) technologies developed in particle physics help research in lots of other areas like medicine/biology (such as allowing them to "see" small-scale structure in cells which helps develop medicines/ways of combating illness), etc.

Other forms of higher mathematics, like quantum mechanics, have real-world applications. When I first learned about quamtum mechanics I thought "this is just guys in a room somewhere doing maths for the sake of maths"... but then I realised that without quantum mechanics we wouldn't have lasers (which have applications in other experiments that help people too, not just for pointing at blackboards with!). Without relativity, GPS wouldn't work. So lots of things that first appear without a practical use, turn out to be used in most peoples everyday lives.

And to go back to the original point of the thread... that provides examples of how things that were not developed with a specific practical purpose in mind, can have amazingly useful practical purposes for society. I think part of the problem with science in general is that it's difficult to convey to the public how it relates to them and helps them. Lots of things - especially electronics - you don't physically see all the physics behind them.
 
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Not at all true! Particle physics is used in the medical industry extensively (radiotherapy treatments use particle accelerators, diagnostics use particle detectors (such as PET scans) etc) technologies developed in particle physics help research in lots of other areas like medicine/biology (such as allowing them to "see" small-scale structure in cells which helps develop medicines/ways of combating illness), etc.

Other forms of higher mathematics, like quantum mechanics, have real-world applications. When I first learned about quamtum mechanics I thought "this is just guys in a room somewhere doing maths for the sake of maths"... but then I realised that without quantum mechanics we wouldn't have lasers (which have applications in other experiments that help people too, not just for pointing at blackboards with!). Without relativity, GPS wouldn't work. So lots of things that first appear without a practical use, turn out to be used in most peoples everyday lives.

And to go back to the original point of the thread... that provides examples of how things that were not developed with a specific practical purpose in mind, can have amazingly useful practical purposes for society. I think part of the problem with science in general is that it's difficult to convey to the public how it relates to them and helps them. Lots of things - especially electronics - you don't physically see all the physics behind them.

The first thing I thought when I got up this morning was "you're pursuing this as a career, how did you manage to forget about the fact that certain diseases can be diagnosed by smashing beta particles at people?" And then the fact that particle accelerators literally surround me on all sides...

So, yeah, sorry. I wrote this thread at 3 in the morning after an entire night of just devotedly and tiredly learning about mathematics that I didn't know before. This thread doesn't really even need to exist... I barely remember making it. I think I was just vaguely mad because of people who think Physics isn't worth it when in actuality it is?

Perhaps I was thinking about the more obscure stuff, like SUSY and discussion of gauge bosons and dark matter, and just kind-of projected that onto my own anger with anti-science people.
 
The first thing I thought when I got up this morning was "you're pursuing this as a career, how did you manage to forget about the fact that certain diseases can be diagnosed by smashing beta particles at people?" And then the fact that particle accelerators literally surround me on all sides...

So, yeah, sorry. I wrote this thread at 3 in the morning after an entire night of just devotedly and tiredly learning about mathematics that I didn't know before. This thread doesn't really even need to exist... I barely remember making it. I think I was just vaguely mad because of people who think Physics isn't worth it when in actuality it is?

Perhaps I was thinking about the more obscure stuff, like SUSY and discussion of gauge bosons and dark matter, and just kind-of projected that onto my own anger with anti-science people.

Well if you're waking up and first thoughts are about physics... sounds like it's the right career choice for you :p

I still think it's a good thread, it's interesting how even deeply theoretical pursuits have practical and unpredictable applications. Definitely worth investing in. :)
 
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I purchased some particle physics action figures in the '90s and kept them in their original packaging.

Not sure if they're worth anything today.
 
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I purchased some particle physics action figures in the '90s and kept them in their original packaging.

Not sure if they're worth anything today.

Is it sad that I would buy those?

I already have a desktop Schrodinger's Cat where you pull aside the window and it's either alive or dead.