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  1. standalonevegan

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    I’ve been a vegetarian for about 7 or 8 years and a vegan for the past 4 or 5. My wife was also vegetarian and my daughter was raised that way as well. I try not to fight over specifics of my daughter’s plant based diet, even though I wanted her to be raised vegan, I thought if I let go she would most likely side with it later on when she can see deeper into that lifestyle and make her own decisions.

    Several months ago my wife incorporated eggs into her diet, I thought it was just baking, but then found out they were eating eggs every morning (her and my daughter) That was rough for me but I gave it time and tried to be less controlling once again. My daughter(3.5 years old) has more recently been refusing to eat the eggs.

    I could take this post a lot deeper and detailed but just want to list the basics.

    My wife thinks it’s healthier for her(and our daughter) if they start eating more of the ‘humane’ type non-vegan food. Organic, free-range, no hormones, etc etc.. I tell her, and pardon my frankness, it all comes out as brown poop – the body knows what to do with any food source.

    She’s really worried I’m going to leave our family or divorce her (I can be a little unreasonable at times)

    I’m just feeling a little lost and just shocked that I never thought it would come to this. She was a big advocate for plant based diet when we first started dating. She immediately started eating vegetarian with me and even saw herself as a mucous-less diet eater down the road (fruits, nuts, vegetables)

    In the end we had a bit of an argument about it yesterday. She said she just wants to be able to enjoy her food since she doesn’t have such a large taste pallet like me, she doesn’t like a lot of stuff and wants to make sure she’s doing what’s right for her. I said I never thought being vegan was going to be easy or is for everyone but for me it was necessary and I had always thought that was her path as well.

    She mentioned I probably wouldn’t have married her had she not been at least vegetarian at which I had no comment.

    Oh, and a book is in the process of being written. I want to help others in this situation as I know first hand how hard it can be. I come from a family of hunters and weight lifters. The comments and prods at my diet never end.

    I will admit I’m not your normal vegan as well. I am accompanying an old friend on his mountain goat hunt this fall. I will be filming this ‘once in a life time hunt’ for him as well as more of a documentary for my own intentions. I want to use it to extend an olive branch to the vegan haters out there. I know it sounds crazy for me to be doing this but I don’t believe in coincidences and the way this all happened just makes sense to me. And it probably won’t to most vegans until they see it on film.

    Please let me know if I’m out of line or offending anyone here. I come in peace.
     
  2. Kellyr

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    Sounds to me like you were just needing to vent.

    Your wife sounds like she's co-dependent. I can only speak to this as I've been there myself. That she told you she thought you wouldn't have married her unless she became vegetarian was what set off the red light for me. I cannot tell you how many times I morphed my ideals in order to impress a partner and get them to like me or want to be with me. Such examples might be like I don't really care about motorcycles and the culture, but if some guy I was dating was "in" to it, then I'd transform myself to be a biker b*tch just to appease him.

    I don't do that kind of thing anymore since I've learned that it's best for everyone involved to learn to love and accept me for who I really am and I get to do the same with the people who come into my life, too. It's NEVER fun to find out someone actually hates something you love after they participated in such activities with you for a long period of time.

    Some calm communication might be needed between you and your wife. Maybe even counseling might be beneficial, especially as you have a young daughter to consider, too. Of course have an honest discussion around eggs - why she feels they're nutritionally important now.

    You sound like you're not completely black and white about issues surrounding veganism as you're willing to participate in that hunt with your friend (even if it's just to observe.) So I could see this approach being used with your wife, too.

    Everyone's threshold for these kinds of things is different. You may hear some people say what your wife is doing is unacceptable and that they'd never put up with it. You may also hear others say "no big deal, my spouse still eats meat." The beauty of it all is this is your life so you get to start weighing out what's important to you and what's not such a big deal and make those decisions for yourself. You don't have to do what someone else tells you to do.

    Coming back to your wife's co-dependence, however, I do think that would be something pretty important for her to address, because if she's twisting herself into a pretzel to try to keep you in her life, eggs might not be the only thing she's compromising on, and other resentments may start to surface as a result.

    Be forewarned, however, that if she starts working on herself, it doesn't magically mean she'll return to veganism or she'll make you happy. It can be a bumpy road coming to our own truths.
     
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  3. standalonevegan

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    I definitely need to vent. But I can't even talk to her about it at this time. She likes to talk about things immediately thinking it appeases me or has to know we're 'okay' but the conversation quickly turns to her start reaching to find explanations rather than her simply admit she loves fast food.

    When stuff like this happens I tend to look inward for an answer or guidance. It's not often I look other places. But it occurred to me this morning that there's probably a forum for that.There are changes I myself would like to make and have probably been putting off. Now I have motivation to follow through with some things. And also with my friend's hunt, he doesn't know it yet but bringing me along may even end up as 'bad luck' and can turn that 100% success rate of hunts there to 99%. whoops ;)
     
  4. Kellyr

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    Yep. Co-dependent.

    Reasoning things out with other people can be helpful at times. It's amazing how many things my mind convinces me of as being the only answer, and then I talk with someone else and they suddenly provide a completely different perspective that has me going "Huh! That's perfect! Why didn't I think of that??"

    And careful with your friend - I hear those mountain goat hunts really are a big deal to those participating, so if you bring some bad luck with you, make sure he doesn't find you're the cause. There could be hell to pay. ;)
     
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    Welcome to the forum, standalonevegan!

    What about showing her the science? The science would suggest eggs are not healthy for us. Does she care about her health or it just because she likes the taste of eggs? It's hard to argue with solid facts. If these are now food addictions, this is also something of a different nature. Food addictions are not so easy to fix.

    Doctor Greger has a plethora of videos on the subject, which most link to the studies and science behind the videos. I'm not sure if that will help, but sometimes education can point people in the right direction.

    There's two aspects of education here you can approach. First of all, the health aspect, which has plenty of science to back it up. Regardless of whether they're backyard and local, the science would still suggest they are not healthy at all, and in any amount. Secondly, there's the ethical aspect of education. Many people think because they're buying local eggs they're somehow healthier and ethical. There's plenty of information on how this is still wrong and unethical. I'm sure you already know all this, but my point here is education. Hopefully, you can help her see the light here.

    Another thing I suggest doing is writing her a heartfelt letter, that explains exactly what you're feeling. I'm no counselor, but I've found that writing things out helps a lot. Much like you vented here, it gives you a chance to articulate exactly what you want to say, rather than winging it on the fly, and have it escalate into an argument.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/NutritionFactsOrg/search?query=eggs

    Food for thought. I'm not sure if any of this will help, but hopefully she will get the big picture here, eventually. Best of luck!

     
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    Reasoning things out is especially hard with some people, the person in question tends to go to iamrightdotcom to find information. Basically googling the answer and finding information that supports.

    You are right about that, I thought about including some commentary that the meat eaters haven't got there goat yet and I think I might be dinner.
     
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    I'm not sure why I can't respond to you directly quoted @Veganite --something was being flagged

    Thanks for the insight. Unfortunately it's not a science or fact thing, it is a food addiction. I've tried to talk emotionally/morally about it with her and even tried the Gary what's his name approach "an egg is eating a chicken period" and "why is this stuff good enough for your stomach but not for your eyes/mind?"

    This has been a long thing coming with her. She's basically done a 180, she tried to no avail to convert and explain this stuff to her mom and people. I was never a huge advocate/activist with it.. I understood it's a heart decision and have found that most people I talk to choose there own facts/sources and try to render mine biased.

    I don't expect conformity so I'm trying to get her to not expect confrontation. I try to avoid it when I can but sometimes it's the little buddies speaking through me. It will all be awhile until things set in with me and I can think from less of a fight or flight mentality.
     
  8. Veganite
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    Food addictions are complex and not easily treated. It sounds to me that you might want to try counseling, if possible. However, as a couple, that takes two people to recognize a problem, and a willingness to work through it. Also, this could easily be biased without the right counselor in your corner. I've had friends go to counselors that were just awful.

    I've also struggled with food addictions. I also watched my mom eat herself to death, basically, from food addiction. She fed her depression with food, and as much as we all loved her, she just couldn't help herself. She died from a massive heart attack before age 60. So I know for a fact that food addictions are very complex and sometimes extraordinarily difficult to treat.

    It's kinda like someone that smokes cigarettes. You can say all you want about how bad they are for their health, but for someone to quit, they ultimately have to want to, and be prepared to give it their best effort, which is easier said than done when you have an addiction.

    I wish I had more answers, but this is such a complex issue. Again, best of luck!


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    I have seen a lot of vegans that won’t date meat eaters or none vegans. Did she become a vegetarian just because you did? Just like you stated earlier about her not thinking you would of married her. I mean if this kinda stuff is a deal breaker for you then I guess you have choices to make.
     

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