Vegans In Ancient Times

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How far back does the vegan lifestyle reach? Is veganism a modern-day invention? Were there vegans in ancient times? In this first edition of The History of Veganism series, we look back- way back- to ancient times, staring 9,000 years ago to trace the roots of veganism to their very source. For complete citations and further reading, see the blog post for this video: Vegans In Ancient Times | The History of Veganism Part One | Bite Size Vegan
 
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Great video! Good work with the time line and research. And I'm glad to see you explore this subject.

A thought on Socrates and Plato: While we only know Socrates through his student Plato's writings, and it's believed that this Platonic version of Socrates sometimes say and do things only to help drive home Plato's personal views rather than Socrates' own views, maybe at least sometimes Plato actually does allow the real Socrates to speak to us, which may at times be at odds with Plato's own views, such as his views on animals and vegetarianism.

In general, I think it would have been difficult to adhere to vegetarianism let alone veganism in those times, much more difficult than it is in our era of food abundance. Their knowledge of nutrition was presumably also fairly poor. Still, the ideal of non-violence towards animals was there with some of these pioneers.

What clouds their judgement is perhaps the natural desire to justify all their actions. We like to think we are always acting 100% in accordance with our ethical convictions, even when we are acting out of necessity rather than unconstrained free will. The ancients may not really have had the opportunity to be actual vegans - vegetarianism was perhaps as far as they could go due to practical constraints.

As for actual veganism, AFAIK it didn't really become a practise until around the time of the birth of the Vegan Society in 1944, and it developed from vegetarianism. Well, I suppose that's for your next video on this subject.
 
Great video! Good work with the time line and research. And I'm glad to see you explore this subject.

A thought on Socrates and Plato: While we only know Socrates through his student Plato's writings, and it's believed that this Platonic version of Socrates sometimes say and do things only to help drive home Plato's personal views rather than Socrates' own views, maybe at least sometimes Plato actually does allow the real Socrates to speak to us, which may at times be at odds with Plato's own views, such as his views on animals and vegetarianism.

In general, I think it would have been difficult to adhere to vegetarianism let alone veganism in those times, much more difficult than it is in our era of food abundance. Their knowledge of nutrition was presumably also fairly poor. Still, the ideal of non-violence towards animals was there with some of these pioneers.

What clouds their judgement is perhaps the natural desire to justify all their actions. We like to think we are always acting 100% in accordance with our ethical convictions, even when we are acting out of necessity rather than unconstrained free will. The ancients may not really have had the opportunity to be actual vegans - vegetarianism was perhaps as far as they could go due to practical constraints.

As for actual veganism, AFAIK it didn't really become a practise until around the time of the birth of the Vegan Society in 1944, and it developed from vegetarianism. Well, I suppose that's for your next video on this subject.
thank you so much! it was a beast of a video... thank you for the additional insights. so much of history is colored by the tellers of it!

really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on all this :) and yes, the vegan society will be prominently featured. probably not getting to it in the next round yet...but i have a lot on that subject ;)
 
Actually, there are even earlier versions where veganism was propagated, before the phrase was coined by Donald Watson in 1944.

The German Vegetarians Union (VEBU) started under Bruno Wolff (1931 - 1935) to move from "Vegetarianism" (defined as "nothing from the dead animal") to what they called at the time "Hochvegetarismus" ("High Vegetarianism", defined as "nothing at all from the animal").

Link is only in German, but for those who are interested: Die Geschichte des VEBU
 
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Actually, there are even earlier versions where veganism was propagated, before the phrase was coined by Donald Watson in 1944.

The German Vegetarians Union (VEBU) started under Bruno Wolff (1931 - 1935) to move from "Vegetarianism" (defined as "nothing from the dead animal") to what they called at the time "Hochvegetarismus" ("High Vegetarianism", defined as "nothing at all from the animal").

Link is only in German, but for those who are interested: Die Geschichte des VEBU
yep! veganism definitely existed before the term "vegan" it just was called things like "strict vegetarian" etc. and before that, vegetarian kind of meant vegan anyway.