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Why do they put so much sugar in soymilk?

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    if you look at the ingredients for this product

    silk original-soymilk



    you'll find that cane sugar is one of them. Plus the product has 6 g per 110 calories which means if you drink 2000 calories of it you would drink 109 g sugar which is way beyond the 25g daily limit.

    Almond milk isn't much different. In this product

    Orgain-Organic-Protein-Unsweetened-Vanilla



    cane sugar is also an ingredient. and it has 7g per 100 calories which would be 140 g of sugar per day on a 2000 calorie diet. If it's unsweetened then it doesn't taste any good. So perhaps I could buy the unsweetened variety and put honey in it. I realize some vegans think honey is verboten but I don't. So I've done some research on whether honey is good or bad but not much. I did read something at the website healthline
    but I don't really like that website too much, their explanations are too superficial for me. I would post links to the actual website but this forum doesn't allow that.
     
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    Maple syrup is a good alternative liquid sweetener to honey.

    Do you drink the plant milk plain? I find that sugar-free versions don't really bother me since I'm usually mixing them in with other things anyway, like blended into a smoothie with fruits, etc, which do their own job of sweetening things up naturally.

    If you have a lot of sugar in your diet in other places, however, then you probably will find un-sweetened plant milks unpalatable. For me the less sugar I eat overall, the better unsweetened and natural foods taste.
     
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    I've tried drinking it plain but couldn't tolerate it, so I decided to try the sweetened kind, not knowing that they sweeten it with sugar. Very stupid I know. It then dawned on me to figure out how they sweeten it. That's when I wrote this post.
     
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    Many people make their own plant-based milks, including soy milk. There's no shortage of recipes on the Internet. Perhaps making your own would allow you to make the beverage exactly how, and with what you desire, and in the precise amounts you desire.

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    Thanks, but I'm the world's worse cook.
     
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    Well, they put sugar into soymilk to make it taste more like milk.
    2% cow's milk has 12 grams of sugar. It's mostly lactose as opposed to the sucrose in soymilk. but there are no arguments that lactose is better than sucrose. (more the reverse)

    Many soymilks have less than 12 grams of sugar. Your example of Silk original has only 6 grams. Plus you can buy unsweetened soy milk that has only one gram of sugar.

    And there is no nutritional benefit to sweetening soymilk with honey. although cane sugar is all sucrose and honey is a combination of glucose and fructose, your body doesn't really notice the difference. Not that its important but glucose and fructose are two of the most simple sugars (monosaccharides). At least sucrose is a disaccharide (being a combination of glucose and fructose. (Theoretically a disaccharide would be digested slower than a monosacharide - but in reality, I don't think there is a significant difference).

    Your technique of taking a single food and calculating its nutrition if you got all your calories from that may have some analytical advantages. but I wouldn't give it too much significance. We should all eat an apple a day. but if we ate just apples and met our caloric requirements we would need 20. and those 20 apples would have 400 grams of sugar. Four times the amount of sugar 20 glasses of soymilk has.

    Yes, the soymilk has added sugar. and the apple has natural sugar. but our bodies don't really care. The reason we are taught to avoid added sugar is that most of us eat too much-added sugar. But as you know you can keep the added sugars in check. One to four glasses of soy milk a day is great. I think two would be more than adequate. but even at the top end of four glasses a day - that is still under the 25 grams of added sugar a day.

    Diabetics are taught a simple rule. Don't eat more than 10 grams of sugar at a time. More than 10 grams could trigger an insulin spike. So plain soymilk would even be safe for a diabetic. Plus its got fiber - which slows the absorbtion of sugar.

    And if you are really worried about it you can buy Silk's "light" soymilk, which has half the sugar and they add Stevia as a sweetener.

    Or you can buy plain unsweetened soymilk and blend in a banana. No added sugars and yummy, too. I use unsweetened soymilk in my oatmeal and smoothies. For drinking plain the light vanilla is my favorite.

    One last thing. Silk's parent company got bought out by Dean Foods, which is owned by one of those giant multinational corporations. Since then they no longer claim their soy is organic. The had a press release that said that their beans are still organic. (Which may even be true - their packages still say Non-GMO.) but they have stopped buying USDA certified organic and are doing their own certification of their growers. (which could be problematic). I recommend skipping Silk till they clear that up. In the meantime, there are lots of other good soymilks.

    Oh, Oh, one more last thing. We already had a long converstion on honey. Check it out.
    https://veganforum.org/threads/why-...t-honey-and-still-call-themselves-vegan.2590/
     
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    There is a type of kitchen appliance, a soymilk maker. Soyajoy and Joyoung are examples. You might need to investigate a little to pick out the best one. Basically, you put soybeans in, turn it on, go away (it's noisy), and come back to soymilk. It's supposed to also be good for soups.

    I do drink a lot of soymilk and I have considered getting one. I would have to do the math to see how good an investment it is (they are a bit pricey), and find the room for another small appliance. I wonder if anyone here has one.
     
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    !!WOW!! QUITE SIMPLY AMAZING INFO!!! YOU REALLY ROCK!!!


    Well, if you're trying to eat less than x per day and y makes up 5% of your diet and your diet would equal 5x if y were your whole diet, then it is rational to give up y.



    Are you sure about this? Michael Greger in How not to Die has this to say:


     
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    You and Greger are right! I didn't say that right. I was just replying to your concern with numbers. And in my defense, I did, later on, mention the fact that the fiber in an apple slows down the absorption of sugar.

    And remember that soymilk has fiber too. lets look at the ratios. Silk plain has 6 g of sugar and 2 of fiber. thats a 3:1 ratio.

    An apple has 19 grams of sugar and 4.4 grams of fiber. a 4:1 ratio. So the soymilk comes out a little bit ahead.

    Gregar would also make the case that the apple (and all the other fruits) have lots and lots of other goods stuff too. But then so does soy. An apple a day is a good idea and so is a glass of soymilk. :)
     
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    Some vegans THINK honey is? Honey isn’t vegan that’s a fact. Also you are right the unsweetened ones don’t taste as good. Most people get a nut milk bag and make their own. Also use agave
     
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    I love unsweetened, but only certain brands. I do not like Westsoy. Pacific and Silk are good unsweetened though.

    They add sugar to non-dairy milks to wean people off off the cow's milk crack.
     
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    Actually, I've been thinking more about this post. I never understood why added sugar is good and natural sugar is bad. So are you telling me that we should just avoid added sugar because it's possible to avoid whereas we cannot avoid natural sugar unless we want to give up some food which has some real awesome nutrients. That would make sense. Added sugar has no nutritional benefit and it crowds out the other nutrients. But in reality suppose you were to get the exact same nutrients per day but x ate 30 g of natural sugar and y ate 30 g of added sugar. If that were the case, wouldn't x's and y's diet be equally nutritious.
     
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    The first part is, I think right. Anyway, that's how I understand it.

    You lost me in the last sentence. I guess if that was possible. Is it?

    My final takeaway: if you can stand unsweetened soymilk, go for it. or just use it with oatmeal and smoothies. But if you prefer the sweetened, and are pretty good about avoiding adding sugar otherwise - that's ok too.
     
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    Let me explain the last part better. Suppose at the end of the day x ate:

    vit c = 200% (of daily requirement)
    vit e = 125%
    vit k = 100% etc etc plus a slew of more nutrients
    natural sugar = 50g
    added sugar = 0g
    calories = 2000

    And y ate:

    vit c = 200% (of daily requirement)
    vit e = 125%
    vit k = 100% etc etc plus a slew of more nutrients
    natural sugar = 25g
    added sugar = 25g
    calories = 2000

    Would these diets cause the same mortality rate?
     
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    Just thought of something else.
    Make sure your soymilk is made from whole soybeans. It should say so on the label. Some soymilks are made from soy flour. Not as good. One of the issues with Silk is that some of their products are made with soy flour. Where before all their soymilks were from organic whole soy beans.
     
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    Probably not. Even if that was possible - don't forget there are dozens of other nutrients. Fiber both insoluble and soluble has important roles in sugar absorption. and we haven't even discovered the role of all the other nutrients. In fact, have we even discovered all the micronutrients? I remember Dr. Fuhrman going on in his book, Eat To Live, about the phytonutrients and antioxidants. Those don't show up on the nutrient info label. but probably do affect mortality rates.
     
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    Do you have reasons for this supposition?

    That's why I said that all other nutrients are equal and that would includes those that we have not discovered yet.
     
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    Ok, I understand.
    So much thinking so early in the morning... had to go find my thinking cap.

    So I'll have to change my "probably not" to an "I don't know".

    I understand where you are going here but you are still asking about a hypothetical diet that may not even be possible. To simplify thing about it this way: Every 100 calories of added sugar is going to replace 100 calories of whole foods. those whole foods will have nutrition the added sugar doesn't.

    Yeah, I get that you are using the hypothetical diet to illustrate a point or highlight THE question.

    In your hypothetical diet, I suppose you might be replacing foods with high nutritional density with foods with lower nutritional density to ...um... handicap the diet without added sugars.I guess one guy could eat refined grains instead. but that would just confuse the results. More research required.

    added sugars are not that bad all by themselves. Eventually, naturally occurring sugars and added sugars are all converted to glucose. The issue seems to be how fast that occurs. And what happens to the glucose after it hits your bloodstream. I think the person's health and activity levels also comes into play. the image of a marathon runner slamming a slamming a sugar water and a couch potato eating ice cream comes to my mind. The runner's sugar goes to fuel muscles. The potato just gets fat.

    I think the nutritional value of the soymilk does put soymilk on the plus side, despite the added sugars. Yes, of course it would be better if it didn't have any. But even WHO said you can have some.
     
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    Sorry for off-topic, but is Maple Syrup healthier than natural local honey?


    TIA.
     
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    For one thing, local natural honey is not vegan, period! Honey is NOT vegan.

    Maple syrup has many healthy qualities, but it's still sugar any way you cut it. However, I personally prefer maple syrup to most sugars, unless I have to have some form of dry (granulated sugar) for a recipe, in which case I use a raw organic sugar.
     

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