By quit crying I was referring to complaining about those who didn't vote your way, not about being upset with the results of the election. But it was rude and I shouldn't have said it and I'm sorry.
Thank you. It's okay to get a little rude here though, I think. This is a pretty fucked up time regardless of what angle you look at it from. I'll absolutely give you a pass on that because it's not like I've been super nice in this thread either.
I know every time we hear about fraud (from either side) it's not necessarily true, but I don't believe it's never happened. The majority of politicians are not honest. But maybe I'm biased. I come from the land of convicted governors.
I mean, I'm not going to fight you on that. Politicians can be, and usually are, pretty disgusting people.
It's just... if it were up to me we obviously wouldn't have this system in place. I don't think you want it either, given how dedicated you are to breaking it with your vote. But the reality of it is that we do, and my point of view is that unless any of us are willing and able to turn the entire country over to a new political system through violent revolution, we need to at the very least try to work within the constraints of that fucked up system to create something resembling change. Not the change we need, but the change we deserve... that sort of thing. And having to compromise there means, to me, sometimes voting to get some pretty fucked up people into power, because the alternative is so much worse.
Can you honestly tell me that you believe on every level, domestic and foreign, a Clinton presidency would be exactly the same as a Trump one? That Clinton being President would embolden evil people to do evil things here at home? Clinton supports the prison-industrial complex. She would continue the drone strikes abroad, she would probably end her term with Gitmo still up and running, she would undoubtedly continue the same shady dealings we've seen basically every President keep doing. But she would fight against LGBTQ and racial discrimination on a domestic level. She would negotiate with Russia and maybe, due to her experience, quiet the whole situation down a bit. She would continue the Obama administration's work of taking down terrorist organizations overseas, one leader at a time.
Agent Orange is the worst of both those camps. He's not going to advocate for anyone over here - he's going to do the opposite to the degree that he can get away with it. He's going to appoint some pretty disgusting people to his government, people who are even more dangerous than him. And he's still going to do the same level of shady **** overseas, he's still going to support the prison-industrial complex, he's sure as **** not going to close Gitmo.
If you can tell me honestly that you think I'm wrong about this, that they'd both be fundamentally the same, then there's really nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. But if you can recognize that although both are bad situations, one of them is truly worse than the other, then you should be able to understand where I'm coming from. Every action should have been taken to attempt to make the least awful reality come to be. Even if it's hard to stomach voting for someone who has done awful things. Even if it sets back the agenda of your preferred political party. That's what I believe.
Sometimes this whole thing just feels awful and ugly and broken, and I get really tired. We all clearly want change, but we squabble so much with each other over political differences that we never get anything done. I'm not saying this as an olive branch to people with ugly political agendas. It's just that the way we run things is practically designed to just tear us down when we try to do good with what we have. No option is going to be okay for all of the people trying to make the world a better place. It's fucked up, and no matter how much I might argue on here, no matter how much I oppose third party votes and lack of voting, please know that I do recognize that we are all trying to do good here in our own way. Being human and trying to be good in this world is **** and I'm sorry.
