Amanda Knox's Book Release and TV Interview

[ledboots]

There was pretty convincing physical evidence implicating Guede, according to wiki.

"On 16 November the Rome forensic police matched fingerprints found in Kercher's bedroom to Rudy Guede,[129] a man originally from the Ivory Coast who had lived in or near Perugia since arriving in Italy with his father when he was five years old. Because he was an immigrant, his fingerprints were on file, and on 20 November he was arrested in Germany, where he had fled days after the murder. His DNA was later found at the crime scene, on and inside Kercher's body.[130]

 

[Snowcone]

There was pretty convincing physical evidence implicating Guede, according to wiki.

"On 16 November the Rome forensic police matched fingerprints found in Kercher's bedroom to Rudy Guede,[129] a man originally from the Ivory Coast who had lived in or near Perugia since arriving in Italy with his father when he was five years old. Because he was an immigrant, his fingerprints were on file, and on 20 November he was arrested in Germany, where he had fled days after the murder. His DNA was later found at the crime scene, on and inside Kercher's body.[130]

Oh, I think he was involved, no doubt, but there was decent enough evidence to implicate the other two, and I think it's absurd that they aren't treated with suspicion after the way they lied over and over. I figure they're all unhinged and enlisted Guede's aid over the job thing. What I said earlier was more commenting on how I perceived people's reaction to the case.

 

[cornsail]

ITT or just in general?

 

[Snowcone]

ITT or just in general?

In general.

 

[cornsail]

Ah I misunderstood then.

 

[shyvas]

Oh, I think he was involved, no doubt, but there was decent enough evidence to implicate the other two, and I think it's absurd that they aren't treated with suspicion after the way they lied over and over. I figure they're all unhinged and enlisted Guede's aid over the job thing. What I said earlier was more commenting on how I perceived people's reaction to the case.

From what I have read there was evidence that the 3 were involved. I wonder what the next trial's verdict will be ? In any case Amanda Fox has no plans to be present neither does her ex Italian boyfriend who has fled to Switerland.

 

[ledboots]

From what I have read there was evidence that the 3 were involved. I wonder what the next trial's verdict will be ? In any case Amanda Fox has no plans to be present neither does her ex Italian boyfriend who has fled to Switerland.

So if the two are convicted in this new trial, can that be appealed? And can that appeal be appealed? It seems confusing, coming from the US, where you can't be tried twice for the same crime.

 

[shyvas]

So if the two are convicted in this new trial, can that be appealed? And can that appeal be appealed? It seems confusing, coming from the US, where you can't be tried twice for the same crime.

Dear me - I have no idea whatsoever ! I know that the was an appeal by a higher court and that neither she or her
ex-boyfriend will be present. It'll be interesting to see what the outcome will be.

 

[Snowcone]

So if the two are convicted in this new trial, can that be appealed? And can that appeal be appealed? It seems confusing, coming from the US, where you can't be tried twice for the same crime.

From what I gather, this is the final round of appeals.

 

[cornsail]

There was pretty convincing physical evidence implicating Guede, according to wiki.

"On 16 November the Rome forensic police matched fingerprints found in Kercher's bedroom to Rudy Guede,[129] a man originally from the Ivory Coast who had lived in or near Perugia since arriving in Italy with his father when he was five years old. Because he was an immigrant, his fingerprints were on file, and on 20 November he was arrested in Germany, where he had fled days after the murder. His DNA was later found at the crime scene, on and inside Kercher's body.[130]

He also appears to have a history of breaking into places (homes, a nursery, a law office) while carrying a knife. Which would be consistent with the evidence of a break in and the knife wounds. AFAIK he does not have a history of violence though and seemed to carry the knife mainly for the sake of protection. Rudy also seemed to have a severe sleep disorder. He didn't like to sleep alone, he would do things in his sleep like teaching mock lectures and walking the streets and he often fell alseep involuntarily, such as while on the toilet. In a couple of the break ins, bizarre behaviors appeared to have been going on as evidenced by vast quantities of pasta and other foods that had been cooked in the kitchen and much of it strewn around, fridges left open, stove left on. This weird stuff indicates to me that Rudy may have carried some of it out in his sleep. But then more "sane" things such as theft of money, jewelry and computers also seemed to occur in these breakins. In some instances the intent seemed to be to simply break into places to sleep and/or use his laptop.

I would speculate that there is some possibility Rudy killed Meredith in his sleep.

 

[LuvOurMother]

Sad how common it is to jump to judgements based purely on sensational media rubbish.

Read her book.

Practically all of the "evidence" against her was proven false.
Her story about the cafe owner was a classic case of coercion, she made the statement after 14 hours if interrogation.
A lot is lost in translation, such as her use of the term " see you later" in a text. She was also barely learning Italian.
The murderer confessed!

Dating someone for a week is hardly considered a boyfriend, so stupid how they focused so much on her sex life. If she was a dude, it would have been a totally different story....

I also think it's understandable why she wants to speak with the Kercher's and pay respects to Meredith. Calling her a sociopath for this is outer limits.

 

[mlp]

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I also think it's understandable why she wants to speak with the Kercher's and pay respects to Meredith. Calling her a sociopath for this is outer limits.

It shows that she has absolutely no understanding of or interest in how the victim's family feels.

 

[Pickle Juice]

Read her book.

No thanks. A four million dollar Rupert Murdoch/Harper Collins "memoir" isn't where I'm going to look for an unbiased version of actual events.

 

[ledboots]

No thanks. A four million dollar Rupert Murdoch/Harper Collins "memoir" isn't where I'm going to look for an unbiased version of actual events.

I guess the international press or Italian courts aren't too unbiased, either.
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"Amanda Knox has a lot of nick-names:

Amanda the Ripper
An alt Holly Golightly from Seattle
Bambi-eyed killer
Black-widow beauty
Concertante of sex
Demonic, satanic, diabolical she-devil
A double soul
An enchanting witch
Evil temptress
A fantastic actress
Femme fatale
Foxy Knoxy
Heartless killer with the face of an angel and ice-cold eyes
Heartless manipulator
Innocent abroad or a calculating killer?
Italy's women of the year
Jessica Rabbit ("not bad, just drawn that way")
Luciferina
Luciferina with the face of an angel
More like Amelie than Jack the Ripper
A murderer on Lifetime
Naive kid from Seattle
Rose West-shaped with the harsh staring eyes of a Myra Hindley and a bit of Lady Macbeth thrown in
Sex-and-drug-crazed she-devil
Sex-mad American party girl
Sex-mad flatmate
She-devil with an angel face
A sort of tomboy retro hippy
Spell-casting witch
Sphinx of Perugia
Venus in Furs
Virtuoso of deceit
Vivacious, sexually adventurous, guitar-playing student
Witch of deception

There it was—the international media and the Italian justice system at their most imaginative, superstitious, possibly misogynistic, orgy-loving, sensationalistic best."
http://gawker.com/everything-amanda-knox-has-been-called-in-uk-and-us-tab-485779472

 

[mlp]

I guess the international press or Italian courts aren't too unbiased, either.

Since the Italian courts released her, are you saying that she's guilty and they were biased in her favor?

 

[ledboots]

Since the Italian courts released her, are you saying that she's guilty and they were biased in her favor?

I was addressing the comment about Knox's book being biased. I think the coverage of the crime and her trial was horrendous, and the focus on her sex life sexist and disgusting.

I don't know what you mean by the court being biased in her favor by releasing her, as I assume the rude names used in the court were by the prosecution, not the judges.

Most of the name calling on that list is likely from the press, not the court. The article did not specify, or at least I didn't click any links to see. My point is that nothing about that trial was unbiased, except hopefully the judges.

A more sexist and nauseating list of slurs I have rarely seen, btw.

 

[cornsail]

It shows that she has absolutely no understanding of or interest in how the victim's family feels.

It clearly doesn't show that she has no interest in how the family feels. She explicitly said that she would only visit Meredith's grave if Meredith's family agreed.

I think she is hoping that they will eventually change their mind about her guilt:

"I want the truth to come out. I'd like to be reconsidered as a person."

If Amanda Knox is innocent (which I personally believe is likely) I can see why she would feel this way. And this would not be unprecedented. In another famous case, "the west Memphis three", a father of one of the murdered children was very vocal about hating Damien Echols and believing him to be guilty for a long time, but eventually changed his mind and was able to reconcile with Damien.

 

[Forster]

It clearly doesn't show that she has no interest in how the family feels. She explicitly said that she would only visit Meredith's grave if Meredith's family agreed.

I think she is hoping that they will eventually change their mind about her guilt:

"I want the truth to come out. I'd like to be reconsidered as a person."

If Amanda Knox is innocent (which I personally believe is likely) I can see why she would feel this way. And this would not be unprecedented. In another famous case, "the west Memphis three", a father of one of the murdered children was very vocal about hating Damien Echols and believing him to be guilty for a long time, but eventually changed his mind and was able to reconcile with Damien.

She has an interest about how the family feels TOWARDS HER, she clearly doesn't give a crap about their feeling.

If she could even remotely emphasize with the family she would understand why in the hell (guilty or not) that the family wants absolutely nothing to do with her ever. If she were a normal human being she'd set aside her own need for redemption and leave the family in peace and let them be the ones to reach out to her if that is their desire.

 

[Pickle Juice]

I also find it troubling that she is willing to make multi-million dollar profit from someone else's tragedy. If she's not giving Kercher's family every last penny, or donating it all to a foundation for the support of the loved ones of murder victims, I agree with the others that she is at the very least a sociopath. Whatever she went through during a trial in which she was ultimately found innocent, it's nothing compared to what Kercher suffered in her last moments, and what her family is going to suffer for the rest of their lives.

 

[mlp]

I was addressing the comment about Knox's book being biased. I think the coverage of the crime and her trial was horrendous, and the focus on her sex life sexist and disgusting.

I don't know what you mean by the court being biased in her favor by releasing her, as I assume the rude names used in the court were by the prosecution, not the judges.

Most of the name calling on that list is likely from the press, not the court. The article did not specify, or at least I didn't click any links to see. My point is that nothing about that trial was unbiased, except hopefully the judges.

A more sexist and nauseating list of slurs I have rarely seen, btw.

I was responding to your post that the Italian courts weren't unbiased. "Courts" in such a context is generally taken to mean those reaching a verdict, be it judges or a jury; the prosecution, by virtue of its role, goes into a trial believing in the defendant's guilt, otherwise they would be remiss in their ethical duties in prosecuting her.

It clearly doesn't show that she has no interest in how the family feels. She explicitly said that she would only visit Meredith's grave if Meredith's family agreed.

I think she is hoping that they will eventually change their mind about her guilt:

"I want the truth to come out. I'd like to be reconsidered as a person."

If Amanda Knox is innocent (which I personally believe is likely) I can see why she would feel this way. And this would not be unprecedented. In another famous case, "the west Memphis three", a father of one of the murdered children was very vocal about hating Damien Echols and believing him to be guilty for a long time, but eventually changed his mind and was able to reconcile with Damien.

IMO, someone who has a halfway normal degree of compassion, doesn't play this as "Poor Amanda, mean Meredith's family", which is basically what she did. Even if she's innocent, she's not the victim vis a vis Meredith's family.

As I said before, I haven't followed the trial, and have no particular feeling about Knox's guilt or innocence. My only real point in this is that the people who are convinced of her innocence because they don't think she had a reason to do it are naive. People do the most horrendous things for reasons that *normal* people can't understand. We've (on more than one occasion) seen several people get together and brutally kill homeless individuals by setting them afire or beating them to death. Is that more understandable than three young people getting together to murder someone against whom one of them may have a grudge?

For me,the fascinating thing about these types of cases is the amount of emotion people who don't know any of the players or really much of anything about the case invest in their belief in either the guilt or innocence of the defendant(s).

Knox is going to be all right. She's an attractive young white woman from a middle class family, living in a country which, to a large part, is convinced that she's innocent and which will therefore bend over backwards for her in many respects. And she has a multi million dollar book deal. She's much better off than 95% of the people her age in this country.