Can a pet cat be vegan?

[Vegan Dogs]

Summary of reasons for feeding dogs cats ferrets readily available vegan pet foods that have been out for over 30 years without any recalls.

1. They have been sold publically with never any recalls, not one, never any published cases of sick or dead pets due to the foods for over 30 years now world wide.

There have been in contrast THOUSANDS of deaths and sick dogs and cats from proven caused by pet foods of non vegan content. In 2020...5 out of 7 recalls by the government pet food authorities were RAW pet foods.

Those FACTS are easily verifiable as the Government Food Authorities publish public notices of recalls of petfoods easily found by a simple google search and reproduced in many websites and online sources.

2. There are government pet food authorities who set the standards and control recalls of any lacking or causing serious health or death problems pet foods.

In the USA this is the FDA and the standard setters are AAFCO. In Europe this is the FEDIAF.

These are independant nutrition scientific experts...not earning from selling any pet foods but independant standard setters and controllers of pet foods.

3. All pet foods sold publically have by law to be "species appropriate" and by labels state if "complete" and for what life stages.

There are laws governing these issues and therefore it is totally incorrect to speak of vegan pet foods not being "species appropriate" as by LAW that is what they are if sold to the public.


4. There are many health benefits well documented from freeding vegan pet foods.

There are many prescription pet foods that since decades have been mostly vegan to cure many health problems in many dogs and cats.

Both those statements are easily verifiable by easy google searches and knowledge of what are in prescription pet foods and why. Many cats dogs have allergies to animal pet foods is a fact.

Many heart diseases are alleviated by feeding plant based foods.

5. Many not peer reviewed websites make erroneous statements about vegan pet foods.

One has to be aware of influences of the meat industry on those linked to earning from the pet foods they recommend.

TAURINE is a matter many seemingly knowledgeable websites get very wrong....and any review of the details on labels on pet foods of the TAURINE content would reveal that it is synthetic so vegan in all commercial cat foods so those claiming it is only found in meat and that vegan cat foods would make a cat go blind or die due to lack of taurine...are totally wrong...and have not understood the first point about PET FOOD LAWS controlling pet foods as well as the taurine nutrient source of all commercial cat foods.


Those are the NUTRITIONAL reasons for feeding cats and dogs vegan.


Now to the ETHICAL VEGAN reason.



6. Veganism means..."animals are not ours to use"

So breeding and killing animals is simply not vegan.


7. Cruelty...ethical not legal cruelty...is an important distinction.

One needs to realise...there is a difference between "cruelty" as defined by the LAW...for which animal welfare act laws exist...which allow killing of animals legally as not cruel as defined by the law...nor is vegan legal pet food "cruel" of course per the law.

The ETHICAL judgemental view of "cruelty" that sees as veganism does the breeding and killing of animals as "cruelty" is what vegans believe in ethically.

Therefore...there is a huge distinction between describing feeding an animal food as cruel as compared to killing an animal.

The 2 actions are totally incomparable i suggest. Anyone who thinks they are similar needs to re examine their ideas or explain why they would be similar.





Before anyone writes accusing anyone of "cruelty" and "forcing things on animals" again on this topic...

Can i ask..that ALL such comments.....include mention of the "cruelty" of "forcing death" on forced into existance as prisoners captive baby life stage animals owned by humans.

Describe...what "cruelty" is involved in putting food in a dish that an animal clearly thrives on and does not ever die of...compared to..the "cruelty" of force breeding animals and forcing them to die as babies ? i mean most killed animals are between 1 day old and a few months old when killed by humans...so far...there are 20 year old healthy vegan fed cats around and less old vegan fed dogs albeit Bramble famous example lived to age 25 similarly to her unrelated companion dogs.

There are legal definitions of what "cruelty" to animals is...and nowhere is pet food included as one of them.

Morally if not legally cruelty is surely killing baby animals ? if anyone does not think so...then explain that or admit one is not vegan if not believing this to be true.

Do people talking of "forcing things" on animals owned by humans think animals owned by humans that are slaughtered to willingly to their deaths ?

Do people talking of "forcing things on animals humans own" not think forcing death on these animals is not forcing them ?


My view....is that "animals are not ours to use"

So as baby chicks...lambs...turkeys...fish...are not ours to use...i have no right as a vegan to take their lives.

What is not mine...is not mine to take the life of.


i see no cruelty meaning suffering or death in 20 year old vet tested healthy vegan cats and vet tested healthy long lived vegan dogs. Bramble 25 years lived healthy vegan dog famous example is well known and several companions fed the same not related dogs lived similar long lives with Anne Heritage the owner.

Working Huskies scientific peer reviwed studies showed vegan fed working huskies out per formed the meat fed ones...and there is no breed needing more high quality energy than a working huskey.

That study as well as other PEER REVIEWED scientific studies on vegan diets for pet dogs and cats and reference to Little Tyke the famous vegetarian Lioness in the USA who never ate meat at all and never had any health issues due to diet are referenced in this website in particular of highly qualified international expert Dr Andrew Knight...

www.vegepets.com

PEER REVIEWED means not just individual vet or individual scientist views...but checked verified as independant valid conclusions by independant experts.



Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, PFHEA


Andrew Knight is a ridiculously busy bloke. He is Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics, and Founding Director of the Centre for Animal Welfare, at the University of Winchester; a EBVS European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American and New Zealand Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; a Fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, and a Principal Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy.

Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of YouTube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.info, www.HumaneLearning.info and www.VegePets.info

 

[David3]

Summary of reasons for feeding dogs cats ferrets readily available vegan pet foods that have been out for over 30 years without any recalls.

1. They have been sold publically with never any recalls, not one, never any published cases of sick or dead pets due to the foods for over 30 years now world wide.

There have been in contrast THOUSANDS of deaths and sick dogs and cats from proven caused by pet foods of non vegan content. In 2020...5 out of 7 recalls by the government pet food authorities were RAW pet foods.

Those FACTS are easily verifiable as the Government Food Authorities publish public notices of recalls of petfoods easily found by a simple google search and reproduced in many websites and online sources.

Could you provide links to these peer-reviewed studies and pet food recall notices? I'm not trying to be difficult here - it's just that, realistically, not many people are likely to do a lengthy sifting through the morass of websites on this topic.
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[Vegan Dogs]

Could you provide links to these peer-reviewed studies and pet food recall notices? I'm not trying to be difficult here - it's just that, realistically, not many people are likely to do a lengthy sifting through the morass of websites on this topic.
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There are a large number of peer reviewed studies listed and explained with dates and authors in the websites of

www.vegepets.com already provided...i mentioned one about working huskies scientific study which showed working huskies outperformed on vegan diets in controlled tests. That peer reviewed study is in that website.

Ref the request for the pet food recalls evidences...those as i stated are publically visible for years on the National Government Food Standards websites as well as mentioned very widely on many websites to do with pets and pet foods continually...but...to help...as i mentioned the USA and UK ...here is link to the LATEST recalls...my figure of 5 out of 7 recalls in 2020 in the UK being of RAW PET FOODS is easily verifiable but a figure i had seen from the UK government website list for 2020 as at March earlier this year i recall....

Here is the latest PET FOOD RECALL listed on the UK GOVERNMENT FOOD webpage...and guess what again ? any surprises ? not a VEGAN pet food...and btw i repeat the UK itself has been making vegan pet foods for over 13 years and selling made abroad vegan pet foods for over 30 years...and i assure you...you can trawl the USA and UK government recall lists for all those years...and you will NEVER find even ONE recall of a vegan pet food....

Anyway

Here is the latest pet food recall in the uk....

Benyfit Natural Pet Food recalls various brands of raw dog food products containing beef due to the possible presence of salmonella

www.food.gov.uk

SEE the WEBSITE NAME...GOVERNMENT UK FOOD...it is official...the food authority ...not some waffle dubious unofficial accusation about pet foods being unhealthy or unfit for purpose...but the government experts and food controllers.

Benyfit Natural Pet Food Ltd has taken the precautionary step of recalling several types of frozen raw dog food products containing beef because the products might contain salmonella. These products have been sold by various independent pet food stores and online. 13 July 2020


Risk statement
The products listed above might be contaminated with salmonella. Salmonella is a bacterium that can cause illness in humans and animals. The products could therefore carry a potential risk because of the presence of salmonella, either through direct handling of the pet food, or indirectly, for example from pet feeding bowls, utensils or contact with the faeces of animals.
In humans, symptoms caused by salmonella usually include fever, diarrhoea and abdominal cramps. Infected animals may not necessarily display signs of illness, but symptoms can include diarrhoea.
Action taken by the company
Benyfit Natural Pet Food Ltd is recalling the above products. Customers who bought the affected products online have been contacted. Point of sale notices will be displayed in all retail stores that are selling these products. These notices explain to customers why the products are being recalled and tell them what to do if they have bought the product. Please see the attached notices.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

There are a large number of peer reviewed studies listed and explained with dates and authors in the websites of

www.vegepets.com already provided...i mentioned one about working huskies scientific study which showed working huskies outperformed on vegan diets in controlled tests. That peer reviewed study is in that website.

Ref the request for the pet food recalls evidences...those as i stated are publically visible for years on the National Government Food Standards websites as well as mentioned very widely on many websites to do with pets and pet foods continually...but...to help...as i mentioned the USA and UK ...here is link to the LATEST recalls...my figure of 5 out of 7 recalls in 2020 in the UK being of RAW PET FOODS is easily verifiable but a figure i had seen from the UK government website list for 2020 as at March earlier this year i recall....

Here is the latest PET FOOD RECALL listed on the UK GOVERNMENT FOOD webpage...and guess what again ? any surprises ? not a VEGAN pet food...and btw i repeat the UK itself has been making vegan pet foods for over 13 years and selling made abroad vegan pet foods for over 30 years...and i assure you...you can trawl the USA and UK government recall lists for all those years...and you will NEVER find even ONE recall of a vegan pet food....

Anyway

Here is the latest pet food recall in the uk....

Benyfit Natural Pet Food recalls various brands of raw dog food products containing beef due to the possible presence of salmonella

www.food.gov.uk

SEE the WEBSITE NAME...GOVERNMENT UK FOOD...it is official...the food authority ...not some waffle dubious unofficial accusation about pet foods being unhealthy or unfit for purpose...but the government experts and food controllers.

Benyfit Natural Pet Food Ltd has taken the precautionary step of recalling several types of frozen raw dog food products containing beef because the products might contain salmonella. These products have been sold by various independent pet food stores and online. 13 July 2020


Risk statement
The products listed above might be contaminated with salmonella. Salmonella is a bacterium that can cause illness in humans and animals. The products could therefore carry a potential risk because of the presence of salmonella, either through direct handling of the pet food, or indirectly, for example from pet feeding bowls, utensils or contact with the faeces of animals.
In humans, symptoms caused by salmonella usually include fever, diarrhoea and abdominal cramps. Infected animals may not necessarily display signs of illness, but symptoms can include diarrhoea.
Action taken by the company
Benyfit Natural Pet Food Ltd is recalling the above products. Customers who bought the affected products online have been contacted. Point of sale notices will be displayed in all retail stores that are selling these products. These notices explain to customers why the products are being recalled and tell them what to do if they have bought the product. Please see the attached notices.

Now...as anyone realises...when reading the statement that anyone who bought that recalled pet food will have been contacted...GET REAL...when do you or anyone leave their name and address to a shop you buy pet food from ? so ? the truth is...people get alerted...find out...when they happen by chance to read this online...reported y some general pets media ...or they check on this government food notice board

That is why the government publish the recalls on the national websites...and most media pick up and forward the news from here of course

however most pets and or humans who got sick from this pet food will never have realised ...you can go to the vets....and not even they will have realised or read this website to know that is why your pet is sick unless you tell them what you fed them and they make the connection.


However....the truth is out there...and so it is clear to see...by the time the pet food appears on the RECALL notice board of the national governments..pets have already been sick and or died.

I would not touch...a raw pet food unless a gun held against my head to feed it to my pets...i have seen...that no national vet organistaion in the WORLD approves but strongly criticises feeding raw pet food....AND i have seen how often RAW pet foods end up recalled on the government official food agency websites.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

ok...that was some small island not a continent UK GOVERNMENT PET FOOD AGENCY RECALLS of PET FOODS link


now to a more substantial CONTINENT ...the USA...the FDA is the usa government food agency

Recalls & Withdrawals

Recalls of animal and veterinary products.

www.fda.gov

oh deary me...in this year alone nice webpage shows easily... Showing 1 to 10 of 107 entries


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Date	Brand Name(s)	Product Description	Recall Reason Description	Company Name
07/17/2020	Multiple brand names	Hemp Oil Tinctures	Excess lead in product	InHE Manufacturing, LLC
07/13/2020	Ultralyx	12% Protein Sheep feed	Elevated levels of copper	Ridley Block Operations
07/03/2020	Natural Balance	Ultra Premium Chicken & Liver Paté Formula	Due to elevated levels of choline chloride	J. M. Smucker Company
05/29/2020	CHS Inc.	Champion Meat Goat Pellets R20, Medicated Feed	Due to elevated level of Rumensin (monensin)	PGG/HSC Feed Company, LLC, dba CHS Nutrition
05/20/2020	Kent	Home Fresh Starter AMP Crumble	Elevated Salt Levels	Kent Nutrition Group
05/08/2020	ICU Medical Inc.	Lactated Ringer’s Injection, USP	Presence of particulates (iron oxide)	ICU Medical Inc.
04/10/2020	Redbarn, Chewy Louie, Dentley's, and Good Lovin'	Bully Stick dog food	Potential to be contaminated with Salmonella	Redbarn Pet Products, LLC
04/08/2020	Milo’s Kitchen	Dog treats	Elevated Levels of Thyroid Hormone	J.M. Smucker Company
04/08/2020	Rad Cat	Free-Range Chicken and Turkey Recipes (Raw Diet) for Cats	Potential to be contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes	Radagast Pet Food, Inc.
04/07/2020	K9 Natural	Pet food	Potential to be contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes

 

[Vegan Dogs]

tut tut hey

WHERE IS ANY MENTION OF A VEGAN PET FOOD RECALL in the millions of recalls listed there ? nowhere in sight or search lol

Is anyone...seriously going to suggest...that "big business corruption" influences on the FDA mean they ignore any risky vegan pet foods ? with so many people ranting about them being dangerous ? being so IN THE RADAR ?

i mean here you go...anyone...thinking a pet food is risky...can contact the FDA to investigate it....so ? how is it...no veggan pet food has ever been recalled ?


Use common sense

Because no vegan pet food is below but ABOVE AAFCO standards generally in all matters and has NEVER made a pet sick or killed it...unlike thousands of killed pets on recalled other pet foods over the years.

How to Report a Pet Food Complaint

You can report complaints about a pet food product through the Safety Reporting Portal or visit the SmartHub - Safety Intake Portal - Report a Product Problem.

www.fda.gov

You can report complaints about a pet food product electronically through the Safety Reporting Portal or you can call your state’s FDA Consumer Complaint Coordinators.

Your report to the FDA is important. Thank you for submitting it. The FDA continues to devote time, energy, and resources to monitor reports of illness that could be related to pet foods, to determine their root causes where possible. The FDA will review your report to determine whether any follow-up investigation is possible or needed based on the information provided. A follow-up investigation could include collecting pet food or treats, or seeking a diagnostic sample from your pet for analysis. Even if no testing of pet food products or diagnostic samples is needed, your report will be part of adverse event and product surveillance to help prevent future problems. You may choose to have your pet food product tested by a private laboratory, but testing may be costly. The FDA cannot pay for private laboratory testing costs or provide reimbursement for veterinary costs associated with your animal’s illness.
Please have as much of the following information available when submitting your complaint:

Consumers often transfer dry pet food into other containers for easier handling. If possible, please save the original packaging until the pet food has been consumed. The packaging contains IMPORTANT information often needed to identify the variety of pet food, the manufacturing plant, and the production date.

• Exact name of the product and product description (as stated on the product label)
• Type of container (e.g. box, bag, can, pouch, etc.)
• Product intended to be refrigerated, frozen, or stored at room temperature
• Lot number - This number is often hard to find and difficult to read. It is stamped onto the product packaging and typically includes a combination of letters and numbers, and is always in close proximity to the best by/before or expiration date (if the product has a best by/before or expiration date). The lot number is very important as it helps us determined the manufacturing plant as well as the production date.
• Best by, best before or expiration date
• UPC code (also known as the bar code)
• Net weight
• Purchase date and exact location where purchased.
• Results of any laboratory testing performed on the pet food product
• How the food was stored, prepared, and handled

Description of the problem with the product. Examples include:

• Foul odor, off color
• Swollen can or pouch, leaking container
• Foreign object found in the product.

If you think your pet has become sick or injured as a result of consuming a pet food product also provide information about your pet, including:

• Species (dog, cat, rabbit, fish, bird, other)
• Age, weight, breed, pregnant, spayed/neutered
• Previous health status of pet
• Any pre-existing conditions your pet has
• Whether you give your pet any other foods, treats, dietary supplements or drugs
• How much of the suspected product your pet normally consumes
• How much of the “suspect” product was consumed from the package?
• How much of the product you still have
• Clinical signs exhibited by your pet (such as vomiting, diarrhea, lethargy)
• How soon after consuming the product the clinical signs appeared
• Your veterinarian’s contact information, diagnosis and medical records for your pet
• Results of any diagnostic laboratory testing performed on your pet
• How many pets consuming the product exhibited clinical symptoms
• Whether any pets that consumed the product are not affected
• Whether your pet spends time outdoors unsupervised
• Why you suspect the pet food caused the illness

Resources

• Safety Reporting Portal
• Pet Food Safety Reporting Frequently Asked Questions
• What Happens When a Problem is Reported?

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Now i am not going to copy paste the easily found PEER REVIEWED studies on huskies and other pets in the already provided www.vegepets.com website link provided...that really is lazy if not wishing to click to see them easily there....

but i will add...a link to a recent NEW study i read ...that is actually produced peer reviewed by HILLS a non vegan pet food maker...about scientific study on the "protein digestibility by cats and dogs of plant protein" that found ?

CATS digest PLANT PROTEINS even BETTER than dogs lol !

Seriously...here is the link...a this year study...and hills is not a vegan company as anyone knows...so please can all those claiming cats cannot digest plant proteins...or even as some ignorant claim dogs cannot...please either shut up or provide scientific peer reviewed studies that prove those fake claims ?

Cats Have Increased Protein Digestibility as Compared to Dogs and Improve Their Ability to Absorb Protein as Dietary Protein Intake Shifts from Animal to Plant Sources - PMC

Because dogs are omnivores and cats are obligate carnivores, it is of value to pet owners and nutritionists to know how well they digest protein from plants and animals. This study evaluated the difference in digestibility using plant and animal ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Animals (Basel). 2020 Mar; 10(3): 541.
Published online 2020 Mar 24. doi: 10.3390/ani10030541
PMCID: PMC7143243
PMID: 32213956
Cats Have Increased Protein Digestibility as Compared to Dogs and Improve Their Ability to Absorb Protein as Dietary Protein Intake Shifts from Animal to Plant Sources


The summary of this article states clearly..."as previously shown" meaning they recognise that previous scientific valid studies have also shown this to be true....

Simple Summary
Because dogs are omnivores and cats are obligate carnivores, it is of value to pet owners and nutritionists to know how well they digest protein from plants and animals. This study evaluated the difference in digestibility using plant and animal protein sources, which are used in the pet food industry. These plant and animal sources resulted in protein digestibility that met or exceeded that expected for dogs and cats. As previously shown, cats had superior protein digestibility as compared to dogs. Regarding the difference in digestibility between the proteins from plants or animals—as a class, there was no difference between plant and animal protein in dogs. However, in cats, the protein from plants was more highly digested than animal protein.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

In order to be LEGAL as per LABELS on pet food....only verifiable measured details are allowed to be put on labels.

The terms.. "complete nutrtion" are legal issues...it is ILLEGAL to make any pet food as "complete nutrition" if any of the pet food authority standards nutrients are missing ....and most RAW pet foods do not even TRY to label the pet food as "complete" due to not having measured nutrients at all in what they sell...other labelled pet foods do use those legal terms...and are able to PROVE the nutrients needed by AAFCO etc standards are in the pet foods


All pet food sold to the public has by LAW to be "species appropriate" so that includes vegan pet foods.

File provided with links to relevant UK pet food legislation issues.

UK animal welfare laws as related to pet animals dog species also included.

UK Dog relative the canine wild fox laws on hunting killing.

Summary: The EU currently are the Nutritional Standard Guidelines providers. The roles of DEFRA, APHA, FSA of the UK are explained with links in the document. Basically..the FSA food standards authority of the UK deal with pet food recalls.

PET = OWNED ANIMALS...there is no legal requirement to feed WILD animals or deal with their suffering sickness.

Legal terms relevant to descriptions on labels by law of pet foods in the uk:

Characteristics of a satisfactory pet food:
Complete – provides adequate amounts of all the required nutrients
Balanced – the nutrients are present in the correct proportions
Digestible – your pet is able to digest the food and absorb the nutrients
Palatable – appealing enough to be eaten
Safe – free of toxins or anything which could harm a pet
Statutory Statement
The law requires a statutory statement to be put on every label or package which must contain certain obligatory declarations. Which include…

Direction & Description
These must state: -
• whether the product is complete or complementary;
• the species for which the product is intended;
• directions for use/feeding instructions.
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In summary: my summary…the EU and USA have nutritional guidelines for pet foods.

No food organisation ever “approves” any pet food….there are no statutory requirements to have them “independently tested” unless there are complaints leading to a government food agency test for possible RECALLS.

There are LAWS regarding what can be put on LABELS regarding “species appropriate” and “complete nutritionally” and claims about medical benefits are highly restricted.

The 3 world standards for minimum and maximum NUTRIENTS in pet foods vary and generally AAFCO the USA one is the more understandable easy to read list regarding % of proteins fats minerals vitamins etc.

The standard setters are NOT approvers of any pet foods not testers in the case of recalls. AAFCO (USA, FEDIAF (EU) and NRC (USA)
Some pet food makers have “trial feeding tests” and “independent testers” periodically but these are voluntary not mandatory.

To sell raw pet food….which as standard per EU laws is “not for human consumption” standards by products….a licence of the APHA agency in the UK is needed.

FEDIAF EU Nutritional Pet Food Guidelines:

96 PAGES of details of what NUTRIENTS and measures are needed in pet food...

http://www.fediaf.org/images/FEDIAF_Nutritional_Guidelines_2019_Update_030519.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2lOPm6F8rkY2RM1SUWXgGEaAaC3aTLjFuFQ0mejt3_8N3bQiaY4D2CUas

The AAFCO (USA) simple clear nutritional guidelines for cat and dog pet food list is easy to read and understand…

24 pages of details of what NUTRIENTS and measures are needed in pet food...

https://www.aafco.org/Portals/0/SiteContent/Regulatory/Committees/Pet-Food/Reports/Pet_Food_Report_2013_Midyear-Proposed_Revisions_to_AAFCO_Nutrient_Profiles.pdf?fbclid=IwAR39zKHsU4fEzmN-2KhP5YKMFgfzV_Z5RQtD5S8QXNrRlqA3cObzvFW51WE

 

[Vegan Dogs]

ps What i can add regarding the NON VEGAN PET FOODS...is that whatever standards do exist...as provided clear links to details of...in the USA pet food is NOT of HUMAN STANDARD ...that is perfectly legal...and the inclusion of euthanised dogs and cats in pet food is legal.

Worth knowing...I have..."human grade" contents of EVERYTHING in my vegan pet foods I feed my dogs and cat. Even the SOY is HUMAN grade not animal grade that most farm animals get fed of course...no farm animals are fed human grade non gmo SOY but GMO below human grade soy...so that is what meat pets and humans are eating processed via flesh of course.

What evidence of my statement ? easy to find but i provide it here...


Pet foods are clearly to be "not for human consumption" quality any of it. ""Extremely few pet food products could be considered officially human edible or human-grade" stated clearly by AAFCO themselves...

https://talkspetfood.aafco.org/humangrade

and "According to the pet food industry, meat can come from virtually any mammal.(Official Publication, American Association of Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition, Section 9.3, p. 259) So, generic meat meal can be legally made from road kill, dead, diseased or dying farm animals — even euthanized cats and dogs.

Do They Really Use Euthanized Dogs and Cats to Make Pet Food?

Discover the shocking truth about the dog food industry's use of dead pets to make dog food and how you can avoid buying one of these shameful products

www.dogfoodadvisor.com

"we’re still unable to locate any current regulation forbidding the use of euthanized pets in commercial dog food.""
AAFCO Hersch Pendell president of the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) in 1998.stated...

...when the biggest pet food recall in history killed and seriously harmed 20 thousand dogs and cats....the compensation per pet without paying the vet bills incurred was 500 USD per pet. That tells us all we need to realise about the "value" of a "pet/animal" ...had they been humans...we would have been talking millions...they are not...they are just damaged "property" under the law.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

ps What i can add regarding the NON VEGAN PET FOODS...is that whatever standards do exist...as provided clear links to details of...in the USA pet food is NOT of HUMAN STANDARD ...that is perfectly legal...and the inclusion of euthanised dogs and cats in pet food is legal.

Worth knowing...I have..."human grade" contents of EVERYTHING in my vegan pet foods I feed my dogs and cat. Even the SOY is HUMAN grade not animal grade that most farm animals get fed of course...no farm animals are fed human grade non gmo SOY but GMO below human grade soy...so that is what meat pets and humans are eating processed via flesh of course.

What evidence of my statement ? easy to find but i provide it here...


Pet foods are clearly to be "not for human consumption" quality any of it. ""Extremely few pet food products could be considered officially human edible or human-grade" stated clearly by AAFCO themselves...

https://talkspetfood.aafco.org/humangrade

and "According to the pet food industry, meat can come from virtually any mammal.(Official Publication, American Association of Feed Control Officials, 2008 Edition, Section 9.3, p. 259) So, generic meat meal can be legally made from road kill, dead, diseased or dying farm animals — even euthanized cats and dogs.

Do They Really Use Euthanized Dogs and Cats to Make Pet Food?

Discover the shocking truth about the dog food industry's use of dead pets to make dog food and how you can avoid buying one of these shameful products

www.dogfoodadvisor.com

"we’re still unable to locate any current regulation forbidding the use of euthanized pets in commercial dog food.""
AAFCO Hersch Pendell president of the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) in 1998.stated...

...when the biggest pet food recall in history killed and seriously harmed 20 thousand dogs and cats....the compensation per pet without paying the vet bills incurred was 500 USD per pet. That tells us all we need to realise about the "value" of a "pet/animal" ...had they been humans...we would have been talking millions...they are not...they are just damaged "property" under the law.

excuse me...if anyone needs a link to that last statement i made...of biggest recall of pet food in history killing thousands of pets....it was not a VEGAN pet food but many non vegan pet food brands...

Tens of thousands of animals ate the poisoned foods, and many became sick, some fatally. The combination of melamine and cyanuric acid forms crystals in the kidneys, potentially leading to renal disease and renal failure.

Count Elise Maitland of Victoria Harbor, Ontario, among the dismayed. Maitland lost her collie-Labrador mix Michigan to kidney failure after he ate tainted Ol’ Roy canned food with gravy. “The $500 I received did not even pay the vet bill, let alone a new pet,” she fumed. “...I feel we were extremely ripped off.”


Discovery of the contamination led in 2007 to the biggest pet food recall in history, involving about 180 brands and some of the most prominent names in the business — Hill's Pet Nutrition, Mars Inc., Del Monte Pet Products, Nestle Purina PetCare Co., The Iams Co.12 oct. 2011

Pet owners receive $12.4 million in melamine case

Legal, other expenses claim the rest in class-action settlement

news.vin.com

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[Deleted member 3018]

No. Get a rabbit or a hamster.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

No. Get a rabbit or a hamster.

like to give orders to people do you lol ?

who do you think you are...? to give me an order to GET this or that animal lol ?

I object to being given orders...i own what i want to own and feed them what i want to legally feed them...high quality vegan dog and cat foods.

The question of this post was...can a pet cat be vegan ?

Clearly the answer is YES as that is what thousands of cats like mine are fed. Fed Vegan.

What your short snap one word "no" implied was not possible...which is clearly incorrect.

Your next words issuing an ORDER to "get a hamster" imply you think they "should not be" fed vegan and you think i should "get a hamster" by order of yours truely.

Well as i replied...firstly you are incorrect...cats fed vegan exist...20 years old ones ...and secondly...what people GET...using that word GET shows what animals are to you..."things...to GET"...what people GET is up to them not you to give orders about.

Tone it down I suggest...SURE animals are "just things to GET" under the laws except for some protected against ownership real wild life species...but...animals are not just "things to get" and certainly not things people take orders from people like you about when "getting"

Do you go around ordering people to not eat animals ? well ?

I doubt it...because if you did...you would be told where to get off lol...

Sure i as a vegan am annoyed people eat animals...but i cannot ORDER them not to...no one takes orders like that.

Nor do i take orders about telling me to kill animals to feed my vegan fed cat...nor do i take orders about "get a hamster".

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Actually that rude order comment...is useful to show...that people really do think of animals just as "things" to "get"

Which is an underlying dismissal of the value of animals as sentient beings with even a RIGHT TO LIFE hey

Seems to many people...animals...ALL animals..are "just things to get" and "use" as either PETS if entertaining or FOOD if wanting to eat them.

There is no difference really ...both...are USE of animals.

However that is what is ethically the problem with human arrogance towards other animals...and it was the same arrogance towards black people by white people or by men towards women historically...some people...things others lives are less important than theirs or those they prefer ...based on what USE they have to them.

We will not change people and turn them away from breeding and killing and eating animals or wearing them...if we show...that animals are "things to get and use" and talk of them as "things to get"

Ps i like many think...people own dogs as they like having things to give orders to that would be less manageable if human species.

Maybe this rude person giving orders to "get a hamster" thinks i am a dog lol

Joking aside....let us try and realise...if people are to be given ORDERS about "what to get" relating to animals...it is not surprising how that arrogance in humans is fundamental in why people think it is totally acceptable to breed and kill animals.

If as that person showed in that rude order....people think...humans breeding and killing animals is ok...as that person obviously implies besides the order to "get a hamster" to someone like me who already has a vegan fed cat....i really find that ridiculous...to tell someone who already has a vegan fed cat to get a hamster...maybe he meant...to feed it to my cat ? who knows...the short order was not explaining much other than the order issued...

If that person thinks...breeding and killing animals is ok...then what someone feeds an animal is of trivial importance in comparison hey.

Why ? would someone who thinks breeding and killing thousands of animals is ok...be bothered what i feed my cat hey ? totally illogical moral schizophrenia i suggest.

 

[Deleted member 3018]

What is so wrong with adopting a rabbit?
On the contrary to the belief that rabbits are dimwitted cage animals, you can free roam your bunny in your house, they even purr quietly. There you have an vegan indoor cat!

 

[Vegan Dogs]

What is so wrong with adopting a rabbit?
On the contrary to the belief that rabbits are dimwitted cage animals, you can free roam your bunny in your house, they even purr quietly. There you have an vegan indoor cat!

you are missing the point totally

I have a vegan fed cat.

so it is pointless going on about getting a rabbit and the merits of a rabbit kept indoors on this post

This post did not ask...what PET should you get...but ..."can a pet cat be vegan ?"

which needs replies to CAT issue not rabbits. You have not provided ANY statement or evidence of why a cat cannot be fed vegan...yet that is the point and question of this post.

I have replied...with the factual truth...that YES a cat can be fed vegan and i have one and there are thousands of others living healthy long lives.

ps interesting again...in the now attempt to "sell a pet rabbit" it is about what USE that could provide the owners...purring...to please the owner...a petting use animal for entertainment of the owner again

SURE a pooping considered STUPID chicken would not be useful hey...have to show INTELLIGENCE issue for the entertainment of pet owner noticed again issue hey

what an arrogant species we are...to demand...intelligent to use pets to amuse us to wish to have them in our house as our captives hey

This person attitude and argument however is typical of all pet owners and attitudes of people to animals...

STUPID animals = pet food....or human food.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Actually i add something for others to consider...

Sometimes...people say...do not use "emotive" arguments to make a point only facts.

So ? why is it persuading people to stop eating animals use emotive arguments ? like ? animals want to LIVE not DIE it is cruel to breed and kill them ?


Why ? does someone use an EMOTIVE argument to say GET A RABBIT...but does not say a WORD about POOR BRED AND FORCED TO DIE RABBITS FOR CAT FOOD ?

seriously.;

what is this hypocrisy ? of talking about CAT FOOD rabbits as a PET...when the person is clearly in favour of feeding rabbits to pet cats ?

well ? i am not blind to this obvious matter...but seems many other people want to be blind ...and not mention...the VICTIMS of cat food rabbits not purring in a lounge as a pet one ?

 

[Deleted member 3018]

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm being honest.

It's not cats fault that they are obligate carnivores.
I don't want cats to be harmed by ignorant humans.

And VeganDogs, I'm as of now ignoring you, so you can safe your time.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm being honest.

It's not cats fault that they are obligate carnivores.
I don't want cats to be harmed by ignorant humans.

And VeganDogs, I'm as of now ignoring you, so you can safe your time.

you do not mention the animals you want me to harm, kill, as worthy of life ?

besides calling me rudely ignorant...when you have not had the courtesy or intelligence clearly to read my information not grunts of emotive orders to get a purring rabbit and kill some others to feed pet cats...that you have made statements about...is imho very ignorant indeed so do not accuse me i suggest of what you display youself...rudeness and ignorance that you accuse me who has provided reams of easy to see official information on this subject.

which is my issue with you besides your rudeness when ordering me what to GET...you want rabbits to be bred and killed to feed pet cats...and rabbits to be kept as pets ? you make nonsense sense is clear


However...showing no care for animals killed that are bred by humans is a missing point you did not address in your clear wish of death on them so claims about caring for animals are dubious imho if not mentioning their clearly wished for deaths.

I ..being VEGAN...do not want animals bred and killed by humans due to IGNORANCE about legal pet foods... you clearly did not pay attention to a single one post and detailed information i did in this thread before you made your orders to kill and keep rabbits as pets but also kill rabbits to feed to pet cats...comments i had made...about FDA and AAFCO etc who are perfectly aware of pet food needs of cats and welfare unlike youself

This is again IGNORANCE that leads to deaths of bunnies...rabbits...because thousands are bred to put in cat foods as you very well know

IGNORANCE about the USA FDA government pet food controllers and pet food standards authority AAFCO are inexcusable when someone like me has taken the time not to grunt orders to kill rabbits to people but provided their links and detailed explanations of what PET FOOD LAWS ENTAIL

Do you think..the FDA are ignorant of the term "obligate carnivore" ??? well ? fgs...grow up anyone who thinks that has a serious need of education.

What pets get fed depends on nutrients that scientists have listed the needs of and ALL TAURINE IN ALL COMMERCIAL CAT FOODS is VEGAN as synthetic...FACT.

Can people...get brains in gear or read the information others provide them before accusing them of ignorance that they themselves are showing massively about their ability to read information provided and understand grunting facile terms like "obligate carnivore" are for dumbos not educated people as the FDA government food standards scientists responsible for pet food laws are aware of what THEY explain a cat needs...the word is " NUTRIENTS" and that word needs learning by some to avoid ignorance is my suggestion.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

I provide detailed facts and information...get given ORDERS to kill defenseless rabbits etc...and ordered to get one as a pet also...

if people want to give others orders....to kill rabbits to feed a pet cat....then i say they have no right to give me orders like that and that is my reply.

i am vegan...i do not feed bred and killed by humans rabbits or any other animals to my pet cat...she is like thousands of others fed legal species appropriate cat food.

I am not interested in which animals make the more entertaining useful pets...for sure that is the main reason people get easy to keep easy entertainment for them animals to keep as pets hey...thinking some species are more intelligent than others so more worthy of keeping alive as pets or generally is also as this person wrote a reason people give as to who lives and dies...that is not my view.

If i order someone to kill an animal...the least i should do is mention why that animal deserves to die...STUPID would be one reason this person thinks appropriate hey. I do not choose who lives and dies based on my petting needs of them or assessment of their intelligence level.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

I consider....being called an ignorant human...rude...i consider....being ordered to "get a rabbit" to kill and feed my cat and get one to keep as an entertaining pet...IRRELEVANT and offensive to me and animals this person wishes dead.

i suggest...people try and read information others have provided rather than ignorant grunts of emotive unsubstantiated personal accusations before launching into accusing others of ignorance for not killing rabbits and other animals.

I do not decide...based on how "useful as a petting toy" an animal is...whether their life has any value or not.

I do not decide...based on how "intelligent" an animal is to purr at me allegedly being showing the intellgence needed to value ...whether they should be kept as a PET for my entertainment or not.

This offensive to me person...and offensive to stupid animals person i add...

Failed to tell me how to kill the rabbits that person wants me to kill to feed my healthy vegan fed cat fed legal pet food never a recall by the FDA or any other expert controllers in government pet food authorities organisations have never found any fault with...

Surely...that person saying rabbits are intelligent not stupid as people think.....realises rabbits are commonly bred and killed for use mainly in pet foods ?

they are millions of them bred only for pet foods...intelligent per this person animals...

And these intelligent animals are to be killed for pet food according to this person...just keep one as a PET suggested ! for what reason ? that makes it ok does it ? killing thousands of them but keeping one as a pet ?

i really find such instructions pathetic not only rude and an insult to anyone's intelligence !