US Connecticut Shooting

Renee said:
I think if that was really how you felt you wouldn't be in here passive aggressively advocating for your favourite position...
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Favorite position? I don't believe I mentioned the dismal state of mental health attitudes in the US before this post. Nor did I mention the attitude of the US which seems to endorse violence as power.

But before I learn the details of this case, I can't tell if my suspicions are correct or incorrect. I could guess, and even make an educated guess, but that seems rather premature, especially faced with the real tragedy that there are 20 children that will never grow up, never grow old, never be able to have the average range of experiences their peers will have. And for those peers, my God, can you imagine the mental trauma? How about the teachers - I heard one on NPR today, a 2nd grad teacher at the school, talking about how she had locked the kids in the classroom and tried to distract them from the sounds of the conflict by reading books to them. She didn't break down, but it's clear that she's having problems dealing with the events.

But hey, thanks for assuming you know what my favorite position is because I'm not too eager to use the yet-unburied bodies of children to say "see, this is why I'm right".
 
this is more heartbreaking than i can express.
my thoughts and sympathy are with the families of the victims.
 
It's definitely the families and friends that affect me... I know I'm broken somewhere inside, but I guess I still have empathy. The death in and of itself never seems to phase me. It's final, their problems are over. Then I see the grieving parents, siblings, and teachers, and that's what gets to me. When you experience things like this it puts a dark cloud over the rest of your life. They might be able to move on outwardly, but that wound never completely heals.
 
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I apologize for my tone earlier. I was in a hurry and in a horrible mood. No offense was meant to anyone. Guns exist and we can't make them go away. Take them away and I'll show you 10 websites that will show you how to make one the next day. People are crazy, hurt, ****** off, and sometimes they just ******* snap with no reason at all. I don't understand it, either. Find a cure for that and we can make it all go away.
 
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:cry: I feel all my insides are ripped out. I have no words to say about this. Nothing new that hasn't already been posted in this thread. What a horrible tragedy. :cry:
 
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^ For those who dont understand that guns are a billions dollars a year industry which some very evil and sick people are profiting from, and causing great harm to others, yet ironically they are blaming those who oppose guns for putting people in danger ignoring the terrible, disgusting impact they are having on the world themselves.

What is the point of lending your support to these people?
 
I'm listening to a Connecticut talk radio station and someone called in and said that if someone in the school was in possession of a gun they would have been able to take out the shooter after he killed the principal and before he killed the children.

I'm not in a position to take a side and debate. I definitely lean toward stricter gun control laws. I have a hard time accepting a society where everywhere is armed and can pull out a gun at will like in some crazy wild west movie.
 
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:( It's horrifying. I read that the killer was supposed to have a personality disorder. I was watching a piece on the news and an English professor was saying that spree killers usually don't have a criminal record beforehand so that is why they aren't on the radar for the police.
 
They are going to release the names of the victims at a news conference at 8 am. :(

The reporter on CNN said "Newtown, Pennsylvania" THREE times at the beginning of the broadcast...not sure why I'm so annoyed by that. He's in the town of Newtown doing his reporting...he should know he's in Connecticut. I guess I'm a little cranky.
 
I know. It's not like I have a really personal connection, but Newtown is only 30 minutes from me. My daughter looked at houses there before moving further north in CT. She bought her wedding gown there. We discussed her possibly still moving there next year. And there's you. :) It's just surreal for me.
I'm torn between trying not to pay any more attention to the news coverage and not being able to tear myself away from the tv.
 
The following video is criticism of how the news handles mass murderers such as these.

A psychologist explains how to report mass shootings in such a way to discourage copycat crimes. Now compare that to how this story is being reported.

Ugh.


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Moll Flanders said:
:( It's horrifying. I read that the killer was supposed to have a personality disorder. I was watching a piece on the news and an English professor was saying that spree killers usually don't have a criminal record beforehand so that is why they aren't on the radar for the police.
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I got the stupid argument yesterday that it is "not guns, but because of the mental health system etc" which is an incredibly null argument because it is impossible to detect these people in most cases, every mass killing I have ever read about has come as a surprise to the people of the community who never thought that the person who did it even had all that going on in their heads. So isnt it easier to just get rid of all the guns than to take on the impossible task of predicting who will snap next?
 
KLS52 said:
The reporter on CNN said "Newtown, Pennsylvania" THREE times at the beginning of the broadcast...not sure why I'm so annoyed by that. He's in the town of Newtown doing his reporting...he should know he's in Connecticut. I guess I'm a little cranky.
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Sounds a bit silly that he doesnt know what state he is in.... :/
 
KLS52 said:
I know. It's not like I have a really personal connection, but Newtown is only 30 minutes from me. My daughter looked at houses there before moving further north in CT. She bought her wedding gown there. We discussed her possibly still moving there next year. And there's you. :) It's just surreal for me.
I'm torn between trying not to pay any more attention to the news coverage and not being able to tear myself away from the tv.
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I have a lot of childhood connections there, as I was born in and grew up in Danbury. Friends, cousins, so many others, thank goodness no one directly connected as far as my brother knows. (He still lives up there and was recently on the Board of Ed in New Milford.)

My husband and I had our first 'nice dinner date' in the 1980s at The Newtown Inn on Main Street, as his sister was bartending there. I even subletted an apartment in Newtown for a short time.

I'm ignoring news coverage because interviewing children that just went through something like that for ratings ought to be prosecutable. And I'm ignoring people pretending we can ever really stop a whacko from doing this kind of act if he really wants to. It isn't video games, it isn't guns. It is the dark side of some humans, the part we want to ignore.
 
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das_nut said:
The following video is criticism of how the news handles mass murderers such as these.

A psychologist explains how to report mass shootings in such a way to discourage copycat crimes. Now compare that to how this story is being reported.

Ugh.
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I agree that the media is stupid/irresponsible in how it reports these crimes, encouraging copycats.

ledboots said:
I'm ignoring news coverage because interviewing children that just went through something like that for ratings ought to be prosecutable.
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I agree that it is slimey almost beyond belief. I get mad even when they interview adults after a tragedy and ask "How do you feel after your child/spouse/entire family was killed?" HTF do they think someone feels?!?!

ledboots said:
And I'm ignoring people pretending we can ever really stop a whacko from doing this kind of act if he really wants to. It isn't video games, it isn't guns. It is the dark side of some humans, the part we want to ignore.
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We certainly can't stop it entirely, but there are ways to limit the number of casualties in most cases, and there are societal attitudes and practices that contribute.
 
One thing I often notice about these crimes is that they try and find out information about the killer and then people suddenly realise that nobody knew the person at all, the person often has no friends so there is noone who can report on their character. Very little is known about this man except for the fact that he was quiet. Its kind of a weird thing anyway, that people can just exist for years and not really be noticed by anyone.
 

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