US Connecticut Shooting
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I had a family member fall for this crap yesterday. It's absolutely disgusting and awful. So fucked up.
The parents, family members , and loved ones of all those children and other victims already have enough to deal with.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ary-kids-says-truthers-are-targeting-him?lite
Horrible. These people are just as bad as Fred Phelps and his brainwashed minions.
Agreed.
It's why I have so little patience with conspiracy theories and those who believe in them. The lack of criticl thinking, the ability to fabricate ever more complex rationales to support their biases, seems to grow with every conspiracy theory they embrace. Ultimately, it's damaging to society as a whole, because irrational thinking replaces rational thought.
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Though I think the conspiracy theory itself is a load of crap, i do remember hearing a lot of inconsistencies on the day in the reports which came out. I do believe that though the shooting did occur, some aspects of the case have been covered up.
There's no need to suspect a coverup because of inconsistencies in reports, especially early reports. Firstly, if you have ten eyewitness accounts, you're likely to have ten different accounts. Secondly, reporters and other news people make amazingly glaring errors in their reports, especially when they are rushing to be the first to report some detail. And often they rely on information from people who are making up details.
I have experienced both phenomena multiple times.
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^Furthermore, there have been studies carried out to show that, in times of serious crisis, your brain is essentially useless at remembering anything. Even really basic details.
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Considering how little we can actually trust what official media says though, though it is silly to go off into conspiracy theory territory, I do believe there is a lot we do not know about the case and what happened, just like there is a huge blitzkrieg of stuff about the world in general we know nothing about because it cannot be said in the media. Governments and officials are not obliged to tell us the truth, just present a version of it.
"Gun violence is a mental health issue only to a very small extent and to a much smaller extent than most people assume," said Paul Appelbaum, a psychiatrist and the director of the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons' Division of Law, Ethics and Psychiatry.
"Most gun violence is just not committed by people with mental illness," he said. “Were we somehow to stop violence by anyone with a mental illness -- as unlikely as that outcome might be -- we would be safer, but only a teeny bit safer. As much as these incidents attract everybody's attention and concern, they are a tiny fraction of the people who get killed in this country every year."
Despite the earnest discussion of mental illness that follows seemingly every headline-capturing mass shooting, people with mental illnesses are responsible for no more than 5 percent of all violent acts in the United States, according to research published by the Institute of Medicine in 2005. By contrast, an estimated 20 percent of American adults reported having some form of mental illness in 2011, and 5 percent reported a serious mental illness, according to a survey from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration released this month.
Mental illness is the cause of fewer mass shootings than the public perceives, Appelbaum said. "If you look at the lists that are put together of those kinds of events, they are primarily family and workplace violence episodes," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/mental-health-gun-violence_n_2583986.html
"Most gun violence is just not committed by people with mental illness," he said. “Were we somehow to stop violence by anyone with a mental illness -- as unlikely as that outcome might be -- we would be safer, but only a teeny bit safer. As much as these incidents attract everybody's attention and concern, they are a tiny fraction of the people who get killed in this country every year."
Despite the earnest discussion of mental illness that follows seemingly every headline-capturing mass shooting, people with mental illnesses are responsible for no more than 5 percent of all violent acts in the United States, according to research published by the Institute of Medicine in 2005. By contrast, an estimated 20 percent of American adults reported having some form of mental illness in 2011, and 5 percent reported a serious mental illness, according to a survey from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration released this month.
Mental illness is the cause of fewer mass shootings than the public perceives, Appelbaum said. "If you look at the lists that are put together of those kinds of events, they are primarily family and workplace violence episodes," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/mental-health-gun-violence_n_2583986.html
On the threat that guns pose to women, consider: Women are far less likely to be the victims of gun violence than men. But they are far more likely than men to be killed by someone they know, generally a spouse or partner.
Women with a gun in the home were nearly three times as likely to be the victim of homicide than women living in a home without firearms, according to a 2003 study in the Annals of Emergency Medicine.
“There’s good evidence that a gun in the home increases the likelihood that a woman in the home will die,” said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. “There is no evidence that a gun in the home is protective for the woman.”
And, according to the National Institute of Justice, abused women are six times more likely to be killed when a gun is in the home.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...bf1-11e2-ada0-5ca5fa7ebe79_story.html?hpid=z3
Women with a gun in the home were nearly three times as likely to be the victim of homicide than women living in a home without firearms, according to a 2003 study in the Annals of Emergency Medicine.
“There’s good evidence that a gun in the home increases the likelihood that a woman in the home will die,” said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. “There is no evidence that a gun in the home is protective for the woman.”
And, according to the National Institute of Justice, abused women are six times more likely to be killed when a gun is in the home.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...bf1-11e2-ada0-5ca5fa7ebe79_story.html?hpid=z3
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How many rounds were fired before a woman was killed by a gun in the home? If it is over a half-dozen or so, I could see the current restrictions making sense. But I suspect the average is a lot less.
The current restrictions seem unlikely to help women. Nor is the restriction on assault weapons, most of which are rifles, will greatly help reduce crime - rifles are the weapon used in only 4% of gun homicides. They are about as frequently used as shotguns.
In short, the current proposed restrictions are much hot air, little effect. They only make sense if you consider it in context of either (1) playing political games in order to win votes or (2) moving incrementally towards a complete gun ban. The pro-gun crowd seems to think the latter is more likely, but I don't discount politicians playing whatever cheap game is necessary to win votes.
The current restrictions seem unlikely to help women. Nor is the restriction on assault weapons, most of which are rifles, will greatly help reduce crime - rifles are the weapon used in only 4% of gun homicides. They are about as frequently used as shotguns.
In short, the current proposed restrictions are much hot air, little effect. They only make sense if you consider it in context of either (1) playing political games in order to win votes or (2) moving incrementally towards a complete gun ban. The pro-gun crowd seems to think the latter is more likely, but I don't discount politicians playing whatever cheap game is necessary to win votes.
No. The current proposed restrictions will save some lives, and so they are worthwhile.
It's like the old parable of the person walking down the beach, throwing stranded starfish back into the ocean, who is told, "Why are you doing this, you can't save them all," and responds, "But I can save this one." It's why I've taken in the animals I have, even though they are less than a drop in the oceans of homeless animals.
Each individual matters, to herself and those who love her.
It's like the old parable of the person walking down the beach, throwing stranded starfish back into the ocean, who is told, "Why are you doing this, you can't save them all," and responds, "But I can save this one." It's why I've taken in the animals I have, even though they are less than a drop in the oceans of homeless animals.
Each individual matters, to herself and those who love her.
*shrug* I don't know - if just half of those kids had not been killed at Sandy Hook, IMO it would have been worth it. And that's just one shooting. Hell, if just one fewer child had died that day it would be worth it.
In addition, anything that chips away at the idea that guns are sacrosanct, are special, is a step in the right direction as far as our gun obsessed culture is concerned.
In addition, anything that chips away at the idea that guns are sacrosanct, are special, is a step in the right direction as far as our gun obsessed culture is concerned.
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Don't you find it telling that so many of these guys end up shooting themselves when their assault weapons or their semi automatics jam, even though they have other *lesser* guns along?
I think that the existence of assault weapons in his home was instrumental in creating the mindset that sent him to that school to kill a bunch of kids.
Just like the NRA's propaganda was instrumental in what my stepson did.
Just like all of the weapons apologists are instrumental, to some degree, in people turning to guns to *solve* their problems.
I think that the existence of assault weapons in his home was instrumental in creating the mindset that sent him to that school to kill a bunch of kids.
Just like the NRA's propaganda was instrumental in what my stepson did.
Just like all of the weapons apologists are instrumental, to some degree, in people turning to guns to *solve* their problems.
