FDR and Prince Konoye

[mlp]

Well, if you think that the U.S. should have remined "neutral" with respect to what Hitler and the Nazis were doing, I think that says a lot more about your character than what anyone's admiration of FDR says about them.

And I say that as a born German.

 

[rainforests1]

Well, if you think that the U.S. should have remined "neutral" with respect to what Hitler and the Nazis were doing, I think that says a lot more about your character than what anyone's admiration of FDR says about them.

And I say that as a born German.

Apparently George Washington was a horrible person then. Roosevelt helped get rid of one horrible leader(Hitler) and aided another(Stalin). I don't see how you're doing the world any good by doing that.

 

[mlp]

Snort. Now you're claiming to know what George Washington would have done, had he lived a hundred sixty odd years later than he did. You have amazing powers, truly.

 

[rainforests1]

I thought George Washington was well-known for promoting an isolationist policy. Many of our earlier Presidents did that too. Why would he change his mind in today's world. It's generally believed Mao and Stalin killed more people than Hitler. Should we have intervened in those countries too? Many just believe that the US Government came about to help the American people and only the American people. It doesn't make a person immoral for having a different belief.

 

[mlp]

George Washington was a product of his time, in a fledgling nation which had just fought a war to separate itself from a decidedly non-isolationist empire. I don't see how you can ignore that.

YOU were the one who said that, if someone admired FDR, it reflected (presumably negatively) on their character. I think that if someone is happy to stand by and watch genocide, it reflects extremely poorly on their character.

As a matter of fact, stopping genocide and other widespread murder is one use of military force that is absolutely morally justified, IMO.

 

[rainforests1]

George Washington was a product of his time, in a fledgling nation which had just fought a war to separate itself from a decidedly non-isolationist empire. I don't see how you can ignore that.

YOU were the one who said that, if someone admired FDR, it reflected (presumably negatively) on their character. I think that if someone is happy to stand by and watch genocide, it reflects extremely poorly on their character.

As a matter of fact, stopping genocide and other widespread murder is one use of military force that is absolutely morally justified, IMO.

From a 1939 perspective humans generally saw Stalin as worse than Hitler. You can't look at it from today's perspective. By fighting one you're aiding the other. Pat Buchanan and Herbert Hoover are two of the many people who thought we should have stayed out and let the two sides fight it out. A very large percent of Americans wanted us to stay out.

 

[mlp]

From a 1939 perspective humans generally saw Stalin as worse than Hitler. You can't look at it from today's perspective. By fighting one you're aiding the other. Pat Buchanan and Herbert Hoover are two of the many people who thought we should have stayed out and let the two sides fight it out. A very large percent of Americans wanted us to stay out.

Oh, really? Where are you getting your assertions from with respect to who was viewed as being worse than the other in 1939?

Pat Buchanan is a well known bigot, so I wouldn't be citing him as an authority about what should be done about genocide. A large percent of Americans were anti Semites and weren't concerned about how many Jews were being murdered. As a matter of fact, I still encounter Americans who wish Hitler had been more successful with respect to the Holocaust.

Are you really arguing the world would be a better place if the U.S. hadn't intervened in WWII and Hitler had been left unchecked? Wow.

 

[rainforests1]

Going by books I've read people generally thought Stalin was the worst of the two. Communists and Communist sympathizers(including Roosevelt) didn't feel this way, and there were other groups as well. As of 1939 Hitler wasn't murdering people much yet while Stalin was(and it was known that he was).

I think all polls showed more than 90% of Americans wanted us to stay out of the war. If you're claiming that 90% of Americans were bigots, I don't know what to say.

Are you really arguing the world would be a better place if the U.S. hadn't intervened in WWII and Hitler had been left unchecked? Wow.

I don't ever recall saying that. One historian estimates 9-15 million Germans were murdered by the Allies after World War 2(mostly by the Americans). I'd have to know what did and did not happen before we go on further. Once again you pick and choose which statements of mine to comment on and ignore others. I think this conversation is over.

 

[mlp]

Strangely enough, Germans didn't notice 9-15 million fellow Germans being murdered by the Allies after WWII. You should probably read somthing that's not written by Holocaust apologists.