For Vegan Dogs

[nobody]

A few had urine slightly high occasionally...but in fact stress causes this and a huge number of non vegan cats get this problem around xmas periods in particular when visitors to their territory in their homes upsets them.

I know, because they were talking about that in the podcast and on the vegan veterinarian who is against vegan diets for cats' website. But nevertheless, Andrew Knight says every vegan cat, male and female needs to have their urine checked at least 1x per month. She could end up unable to pee with a blockage and die if you don't, since the food isn't naturally acidic like meat is.

All you have to do is have another litter box with the plastic beads and switch it out 1x per month to test the urine. Since you only have 1 cat, it will be easy to know whose urine is in there.

 

[nobody]

You just keep pointing out vague suggestions as to why you do not think carbs vaguely would not be good for your aged cat

Carbs aren't good for any cat. All the cheap dry meat foods and Ami have maize as the first ingredient and this is responsible for a lot of ill health in cats because their bodies evolved to get all their calories from a moist packet of protein and fat.

Lisa A. Pierson, DVM (not Jean Hofve the vegan vet I mentioned previously. This vet I do not know to be vegan but she is still a veterinary professional):

"We Are Feeding Cats Too Many Carbohydrates
Note: I have stopped using the term “grain-free” since it has become somewhat meaningless. Many companies (e.g., Blue Buffalo) tout that their products are “grain free” but then they just load up the food with high carbohydrate ingredients like potatoes and peas which are not grains but still contribute a significant carb load (and plant-based protein) to the food. The “grain-free” descriptive has become very deceptive and misleading."

Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition – Common Sense. Healthy Cats.

A veterinarian explains the basics on properly feed cats which are strict carnivores, and the link between a poor quality diet and common diseases.

catinfo.org

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Carbs aren't good for any cat. All the cheap dry meat foods and Ami have maize as the first ingredient and this is responsible for a lot of ill health in cats because their bodies evolved to get all their calories from a moist packet of protein and fat.

Lisa A. Pierson, DVM (not Jean Hofve the vegan vet I mentioned previously. This vet I do not know to be vegan but she is still a veterinary professional):

"We Are Feeding Cats Too Many Carbohydrates
Note: I have stopped using the term “grain-free” since it has become somewhat meaningless. Many companies (e.g., Blue Buffalo) tout that their products are “grain free” but then they just load up the food with high carbohydrate ingredients like potatoes and peas which are not grains but still contribute a significant carb load (and plant-based protein) to the food. The “grain-free” descriptive has become very deceptive and misleading."

Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition – Common Sense. Healthy Cats.

A veterinarian explains the basics on properly feed cats which are strict carnivores, and the link between a poor quality diet and common diseases.

catinfo.org

it was interesting to see all the scare mongering over past months about dcm. mostly a dog heart disease

it was said to be massively on the increase.

all sorts of claims were made about peas lentils legumes blocking taurine in dogs so the cause of dcm increases

however....out comes the fda report of the 5 year study and ?

top of the "correlation" of diet because really breed is the biggest real corelation factor for dcm....was "grain free" and "raw"

so suddently the hypers were stumped lol

and...more signficantly 10 cats were in the fda report....none of them vegan fed ones lol

all those cats fed vegan....and after 5 years of fda vet reports....not a single vegan cat in their report lol

and as for the vegan dogs well they too were absent

yet that is the basis of many vegan pet food proteins...peas and lentils legumes

so the myths run riot

for a long time...cat owners were encouraged to blame kibble for their high kidney diseases.

low and behold...autopsies of wild species lions done revealed 78% had kidney diseases on their raw flesh diets

so all that kibble causes kidney disease hype was nonsense.

sometimes we jump on wished for causes of things that due to a perception encourage us to blame....and it turns out wrong.

I had my cat heart tested at the vets a few times i add.

cats as a species are weak on kidneys and hearts. 40% of them get heart murmers at some stage in their lives. she as a kitten had a very slight one once...but not a sign of any the last 2 visits.

the vets are keen to examine her in detail i assure you...shining lights into her eyes to test her eyes...listening to her heart all that jazz...blood tests done 2 times....she is excellent condition lol

so obviously her pea based protein is doing her good

cats love pea based foods for some reason.

ps i read that article of your link.

a few comments typical of me.

1. the statements do not refer to studies done but opinions. i was looking for studies of things.

2. the term "what they would eat in the wild" is liberally used.

which is to my mind not the right approach.

what if....as i believe now....what the "natural" diet of an animal in the wild is not actually the most healthy diet for it ?

because when one realises 78% of wild species lions etc get kidney diseases ...that does not look like a healthy diet.

ps these were lions etc well fed in zoos i add plenty water all that jazz.

the species of cat...is genetically weak for heart and kidneys. frequentt t uti and kidney diseases.

so obviously they evolve into a healthy species in the wild. half of them die before reaching adulthood in the wild.

i personally think out of the box of the "what the wild lions ate" box....what if...that diet is not the healthy diet for a lion ? which to my mind seems the case.

if you see my thinking.

our pet cats get 30 percent kidney diseases ...half that of the wild lions fed raw flesh species....so the myths of those saying oh in the wild they eat raw flesh and all that kibble caused pet cats kidney diseases was totally but TOTALLY wrong....modern pet foods no matter which HALVED the natural kidney disease of the cat species.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

ps another matter ref that long article.

the person is obsessed with wet to get a cat to intake more fluids...low thirst drive mentioned

well i assure you i have not noticed this at all in my cat ever

she drinks water regularly

miouws for the tap to be turned on when i am in the bathroom lol

sure water is very important imho

it clears toxins out of the body via the kidneys

but what forces the kidneys to work so hard to eliminate toxins ? flesh

for a species with weak kidneys....flesh is adding to the problem in reality

all that worry over drinking of raw or wet fed cats or blaming kibble is exagerated imho

cat eats kibble...less toxins....drinks water....no problem

add not flesh based and less kidney damage risk.

 

[Whisperdog]

Hello, sorry if I'm in the wrong place.
I have a 3 (ish) year old Lurcher.
She has been fed a vegan diet for over a year now and is in tip top condition as far as I can tell.
I am also on a uk dog forum.
When I told someone on the forum she is a vegan dog I received a barrage of accusations, health scares and was told I shouldn't have a dog.
It's had me worried that I may not be feeding her the right diet.
What are people's experience on a vegan dog ?

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Hello, sorry if I'm in the wrong place.
I have a 3 (ish) year old Lurcher.
She has been fed a vegan diet for over a year now and is in tip top condition as far as I can tell.
I am also on a uk dog forum.
When I told someone on the forum she is a vegan dog I received a barrage of accusations, health scares and was told I shouldn't have a dog.
It's had me worried that I may not be feeding her the right diet.
What are people's experience on a vegan dog ?

oh this is typical jut from "ignorance" and "shock"

People think the same about human eating vegan....that we are pasty and weak...image issue.

Same issue for dogs.

Nutrients are what any animal needs to thrive on.

Vegan Dog and Cat Food Suppliers World Wide

June 2019…over 30 years of vegan pet foods sold to the public. NEVER a recall…unlike the many recalls of animal based pet foods constantly.

Most listed on the website of Dr Andrew Knight Professor in Animal Ethics at Winchester University in the UK

We are up to 20 world wide producers of vegan pet foods today ! Brazil and Argentina added to the updated list...

(more information in FILES here..https://www.facebook.com/groups/catsdogsnutritionlinks/files/)

10 vegan Cat Food Producers. 20 vegan Dog Food Producers.

Germany have the most number of 8 producers other than the 4 of the USA i add.

Not counting also the normal vet prescription pet foods that are generally vegan or almost all vegan content of the general non vegan pet food producers.

Evolution of the USA were the first to do ready made ones about 30 years ago...Compassion Circle did the home made supplements about 35 years ago and are (as name previously was Harbingers of a New Age) in the top 10 Pet Food Exporters of the USA !

The UK Benevo brand got a Queen's Award also has been going about 13 years and also exports world wide www.veggiepets.com

An Australian by origin highly qualified vet Dr Andrew Knight website www.vegepets.com

His expert websites below...www.vegepets.com with many other scientific references to vegan pet foods for cats and dogs in particular relevant.

Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA

Andrew Knight is a ridiculously busy bloke. He is Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics, and Founding Director of the Centre for Animal Welfare, at the University of Winchester; a EBVS European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American and New Zealand Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; a Fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, and a Senior Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy.

Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of YouTube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.info, www.HumaneLearning.info and www.VegePets.info.
The BEST most informative website of any world wide distributor supplier of Vegan Pet foods is ? VECADO of Canada ! their website is a marvelous source of all sorts of useful information. Anna Vecado
CANADA supplier of many brands including EVOLUTION are VECADO.
Vecado Canada https://vecado.ca/

List of 20 Manufacturer Brands Made.(as at June 2019)
1 Ami Italy http://www.amipetfood.com/en
2 V-Dog USA https://v-dog.com/
3 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
4 Benevo Britain http://www.benevo.com/
5 Ketun USA http://ketunpet.com/
6 Veggieanimals Spain https://www.veggieanimals.com/
7 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
8 Veganpet Australia https://veganpet.com.au/
9. Vegusto Switzerland https://www.vegusto.ch/product_details/103 WET

10. Vitaveg Italy
https://vitaveg.pet/product/dog-croquettes/?lang=en WET and DRY

11. Herrmann Germany… Germany distributor Fulda also supplies various brands in Europe, Fulda. extra brands like Greta, Bubeck, Green Veggiedog, Fitness, Herrmann, Vegdog etc

https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/hunde/feuchtnahrung/305/herrmann-s-gemuesetopf-400g

WET for Herrmann, WET and DRY for various others.

12. Vegdog Germany DE Supplement for home made Dog food, and Adult and Senior Dogs, and Wet and Dry ready made. https://vegdog.de/

13 to 17…. Greta, Bubeck, Green Veggiedog, Fitness, Terra Purra (Terra Purra is dogs and cats wet) Germany.

18. Veguis. Argentina. https://www.veguis.com/

19. Bicho Green. Brazil. https://bichogreen.com.br/

20. V-Complete. Germany. https://vegan4dogs.com/shop/v-complete

GRETA was previously called EDGAR. It is a German made Adult Dogs dry dog food producer….and producer of a complete supplement power for home made dog food call V-Complete.

Vegan4Dogs V-Complete 280 g vegane Nahrungsergänzung für Hunde

Vegan4Dogs V-Complete ist unsere vegane Nahrungsergänzung für ausgewachsene Hunde zum selber kochen von Hundefutter, entwickelt mit Experten aus dem Bereich der Tierernährung. Das vegane Supplement ist hier in unserem Shop erhältlich.

vegan4dogs.com

and https://www.vegavriend.nl/a-54534689/compleet/v-complete-280gr-650gr/
German made. V-Complete is an adult dog supplement powder for home made meals made by Greta previously known as ...EDGAR ! The name EDGAR was discontinued.

There are 3 Supplement powders for Home Made Recipes.
Compassion Circle of the USA for both Dogs and Cats Puppies and Kittens.
1. https://compassioncircle.com/

2. Vegdog of Germany https://vegdog.de/ for adult Dogs.

3. V-Complete of Germany. https://vegan4dogs.com/shop/v-complete Made by GRETA brand. For adult dogs.

DOGS Wet is done by...Evolution, Benevo, Vegusto, Vitaveg, Veganpet, Hermann, Terra Purra and of course Compassion Circle recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders Vegdog supplement powder for home made of Vegdog
.
DOGS Dry is done by...Evolution, Benevo, Ami, Veggieanimals, Veganpet, Ketun, Vitaveg, Greta, Veguis, Bicho Green and of course Compassion Circle provide recipes for Dry Home made using their supplement powders, Vegdog supplement powder for home made. of Vegdog. German company Greta make also a dry supplement adult dog powder for home made called V-Complete. German company Vegdog also make an adult dog supplement power for home made.

CATS Wet: is done by...Evolution, Benevo, Vegusto, Vitaveg, Hermann, Terra Purra, Veganpet, and of course Compassion Circle recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders.

CATSry: is done by...Evolution, Benevo, Ami, Veggieanimals, Veganpet, Vitaveg and of course Compassion Circle provide recipes for Dry Home made using their supplement powders

Vegan Cat foods and Manufacturer Supplier Website links: 10 producers.

ADULT CATS: 10 producers:

1 Ami Italy http://www.amipetfood.com/en
2 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
3 Benevo Britain http://www.benevo.com/
4 Veggieanimals Spain https://www.veggieanimals.com/
5 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
6.Veganpet Australia. https://veganpet.com.au/

KITTENS: 3 producers

1 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
2 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
3.Veganpet Australia. https://veganpet.com.au/

CATS Wet tinned: is done by...Evolution, Benevo, Vegusto, Vitaveg, Hermann, Terra Purra, Veganpet and of course Compassion Circle recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders.

CATSry: is done by...Evolution, Benevo, Ami, Veggieanimals, Veganpet, Vitaveg and of course Compassion Circle provide recipes for Dry Home made using their supplement powders

Extras: for ADULTS until i check if for kittens too...
7. Vegusto Switzerland https://www.vegusto.ch/product_details/103 WET
8. Vitaveg Italy
https://vitaveg.pet/product/wet-pet-food-cat-big-can/ WET and DRY
9. Herrmann Germany
https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/…/herrmann-s-fleischlos-…
10 Terra Purra Germany. Wet (dogs and cats)

https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/hunde/feuchtnahrung/46/terra-pura-gemuesetopf-180g?c=31

WET

NB
For EUROPE Compassion Circle suppliers of VEGEYEAST VEGECAT/VEGEDOG and VEGEKIT/VEGEPUP, and supplements of VEGDOG, V-Complete etc are in the Netherlands Vegavriend
who sell ready made vegan pet foods also.
EVOLUTION, Ami and Benevo.
https://www.vegavriend.nl/c-4674916/compleet/
Germany distributor Fulda also supplies various brands in Europe, Fulda. extra brands like Greta, Bubeck, Vegdog, Green Veggiedog, Fitness etc

https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/schnellbestellung
UK Manufacturer and Distributor of various brands but not vegeyeast or vegecat etc supplements or Evolution and manufacturer of British Brand sold world wide "Benevo" is www.veggiepets.com

CANADA supplier of many brands including
are VECADO.
Vecado Canada https://vecado.ca/

Vegan Dog foods and Manufacturer Supplier Website links: 20 producers.

ADULT DOGS:

1 Ami Italy http://www.amipetfood.com/en
2 V-Dog USA https://v-dog.com/
3 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
4 Benevo Britain http://www.benevo.com/
5 Ketun USA http://ketunpet.com/
6 Veggieanimals Spain https://www.veggieanimals.com/
7 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
8 Veganpet Australia https://veganpet.com.au/

PUPPIES:

1 Ami Italy http://www.amipetfood.com/en
2 Evolution USA http://www.petfoodshop.com/where-to-buy/
3 Benevo Britain http://www.benevo.com/
4 Ketun USA http://ketunpet.com/
5 Compassion Circle USA https://compassioncircle.com/
6 Veganpet Australia https://veganpet.com.au/

Extras: for ADULTS until i check if for puppies too.
9. Vegusto Switzerland https://www.vegusto.ch/product_details/104/de WET
10. Vitaveg Italy
https://vitaveg.pet/product/dog-croquettes/?lang=en WET and DRY

11 to 17 . Herrmann Germany… Germany distributor Fulda also supplies various brands in Europe, Fulda. extra brands like Greta, Bubeck, Green Veggiedog, Fitness, Terra Purra, Vegdog etc

https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/hunde/feuchtnahrung/305/herrmann-s-gemuesetopf-400g

18. Veguis. Argentina. https://www.veguis.com/ Adult dogs.

19. Bicho Green. Brazil. https://bichogreen.com.br/ Adult dogs.

20. V-Complete. Germany. https://vegan4dogs.com/shop/v-complete

WET for Herrmann, WET and DRY for various others.
GRETA was previously called EDGAR. It is a German made Adult Dogs dry dog food producer….and producer of a complete supplement power for home made dog food call V-Complete.

Vegan4Dogs V-Complete 280 g vegane Nahrungsergänzung für Hunde

Vegan4Dogs V-Complete ist unsere vegane Nahrungsergänzung für ausgewachsene Hunde zum selber kochen von Hundefutter, entwickelt mit Experten aus dem Bereich der Tierernährung. Das vegane Supplement ist hier in unserem Shop erhältlich.

vegan4dogs.com

and https://www.vegavriend.nl/a-54534689/compleet/v-complete-280gr-650gr/
German made. V-Complete is an adult dog supplement powder for home made meals made by Greta previously known as ...EDGAR ! The name EDGAR was discontinued.

There are 3 Supplement powders for Home Made Recipes.
Compassion Circle of the USA for both Dogs and Cats Puppies and Kittens.
1. https://compassioncircle.com/

2. Vegdog of Germany https://vegdog.de/ for adult Dogs.

3. V-Complete of Germany. https://vegan4dogs.com/shop/v-complete Made by GRETA brand. For adult dogs.

DOGS Wet is done by...Evolution, Benevo, Vegusto, Vitaveg, Hermann, Terra Purra and of course Compassion Circle recipes for home made is for Wet mostly using their supplement powders Vegdog supplement powder for home made of Vegdog , V-Complete also do supplement powder for home made.
.
DOGS Dry is done by... Evolution, Benevo, Ami, Veggieanimals, Veganpet, Ketun, Vitaveg, Greta, Veguis, Bicho Green and of course Compassion Circle provide recipes for Dry Home made using their supplement powders, Vegdog supplement powder for home made. of Vegdog. German company Greta make also a dry supplement adult dog powder for home made called V-Complete. German company Vegdog also make an adult dog supplement power for home made.

NB
For EUROPE Compassion Circle suppliers of VEGEYEAST VEGECAT/VEGEDOG and VEGEKIT/VEGEPUP, and supplements of VEGDOG, V-Complete etc are in the Netherlands Vegavriend
who sell ready made vegan pet foods also.
EVOLUTION, Ami and Benevo.
https://www.vegavriend.nl/c-4674916/compleet/

Germany distributor Fulda also supplies various brands in Europe, Fulda. extra brands like Greta, Bubeck, Vegdog, Green, Fitness etc
https://www.futterservice-fulda.de/schnellbestellung
UK Manufacturer and Distributor of various brands but not vegeyeast or vegecat etc supplements or Evolution and manufacturer of British Brand sold world wide "Benevo" is www.veggiepets.com
CANADA supplier of many brands including EVOLUTION are VECADO.
Vecado Canada https://vecado.ca/

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Try copy paste this reply i suggest in future instead of slanging matches with such objectors of not killing thousands of animals to feed your dogs

Due to repetitions taking much "wasted energy" time in replying to objections to vegan pet foods in UK groups outside of this group of course.....I have prepared and sent an ADMIN of a general dog group where such "spats" take place often recently due to my involvement there...this by pm...

THE FUTURE ! is VEGAN ! if you want it.
(Gary L. Francione quote…USA Law Professor leader of the Abolitionist Vegan Movement. 1st principle the same as PETA…”Animals are not ours to use” )


I have prepared a “standard” one off comment to do in future to any VEGAN PET FOOD posts posted.

I may EDIT my in FILES post to put this up front on that post too. No point doing this as a NEW post hey ! it could start up “WW3” again lol !

IF anyone else kicks off in the future about VEGAN PET FOODS …I suggest I will just post JUST THIS 1 COMMENT ! and 1 reply to just 1 other comment…and leave it at that.


I THINK THIS WILL MEET WITH YOUR APPROVAL…and sincerely THANK you for being the PROMPT I needed to save you me and everyone a load of grief in future lol ! not that those calling me the “queen of paste” will be pleased…they were visibly disappointed the other day saying it had been 4 hours with no sight of any comment on the matter from me lol wink wink….I will be sorry to disappoint those…but not YOU OR I lol !
……………………………………..
THE FUTURE ! is VEGAN ! if you want it.

(Gary L. Francione quote…USA Law Professor leader of the Abolitionist Vegan Movement. 1st principle the same as PETA…”Animals are not ours to use” )

"READ NO FURTHER I suggest...THIS ANSWERS ALL POSSIBLE “ISSUES"

1. Vegan pet foods are LEGAL and exceed all Pet Food Authority standards by law....have been around commercially for over 35 years now in 2019. The UK produces and sells vegan pet foods. "species appropriate" by LAW. Never a recall of any vegan pet food in over 35 years sold. In the uk in 2019 alone to date half year as i write July ... 4 out of 7 recalls were of raw pet foods. "species appropriate" by LAW.
2. Vegan pet foods are NOT classified as "animal abuse or cruelty" under the 2006 UK Welfare Act.
3. Vegan dogs and cats THRIVE not just survive, vet tested healthy for years even 20 years in the case of UK cat examples and 25 years for UK famous Bramble dog and similar long lives of her unrelated companions on vegan home made pet foods (Anne Heritage UK pioneer dogs).
4. Dogs have 28 times more amylase AMY2B gene in their pancreas than wolves needed to digest starches.
5. GMO free organic and human grade are STANDARD for vegan pet food ingredients.
6. Cat taurine is synthetic so vegan since the 1970's added to ALL commercial cat foods as they were dying going blind due to it destroyed in cooking and lost de-thawing in flesh foods, all taurine supplements raw cat feeders give as recommended by cat nutrition experts to ensure cats get taurine are also synthetic so vegan. dogs make their own taurine but pet foods have started adding it as maybe dogs have changed.
7. CATS LOVE HIGH PROTEIN PEAS. No “force feeding” involved
8. No animal needs to be bred and “choose”? to DIE for dogs cats humans to thrive.
9. Dogs cats often “choose” to eat chocolate with relish or cheap nasty smelly foods they are no good at instinctively knowing what is good or bad nutrition for them….we humans can READ and understand these necessary matters so that is our duty to DENY them their bad choices.
10. It is a matter of “choice” to choose death or healthy whatever food one legally feeds any animal.


www.vegepets.com

Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA

Andrew Knight is a ridiculously busy bloke. He is Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics, and Founding Director of the Centre for Animal Welfare, at the University of Winchester; a EBVS European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American and New Zealand Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; a Fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, and a Senior Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy.

Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of YouTube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.info,www.HumaneLearning.info and www.VegePets.info.

 

[FredVegrox]

This explanation of pantheism was enlightening. Death being a part of life, excusing away minimal harm, is toxic thinking, and that should be explained when pantheism comes up.

 

[FredVegrox]

this is typical jut from "ignorance" and "shock"
People think the same about human eating vegan....that we are pasty and weak...image issue.
Same issue for dogs.
Nutrients are what any animal needs to thrive on.

There is such great influence from the wider carnist culture around vegans on them that they will say the same things and go contrary to antispeciesism. So rather than accepting that needed nutrients are what matter, even when it is provided through plant-based food, they reduce it all to meat from animals being needed, and then that animals are slaughtered for meat is justified, and the end of all slaughter of animals for meat from them is not really desired. They often remain as speciesist as carnists.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

P.s.
Here is a link to a position paper released by the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, an organisation which represents over 100,000 credentialed nutrition people. The paper says that it is their position that well planned vegan diets are perfectly healthy for humans. But we don't have anything like this for vegan cat food - only anecdotal evidence of cats who have been on vegan diets for 20 years. There is also anecdotal evidence that it is perfectly healthy to raise a human baby on nothing but fruit. A lot of people have done it successfully, so the anecdotes say.

But in both cases, if you Google it, the mainstream opinion is that fruitarian babies and vegan cats are not good ideas. I do not have doctor of philosophy degree in feline biochemistry and do not feel comfortable trusting my cats' health to some fringe opinion like this, when it isn't even a subject that I can fully comprehend. Maybe I'm wrong, PetMD is wrong and Andrew Knight is right, but I don't know and don't have any way to determine who is correct.

incorrect. if you took time to read the website link proved you will find "peer reviewed" studies referenced. I will not repeat myself more than provide the link

www.vegepets.com... and one of the references easy to find on the website...
US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health

Vegetarian versus Meat-Based Diets for Companion Animals - PMC

Many owners of companion animals are interested in vegetarian diets for their animals, as concerns increase about the consequences of animal farming, for health, animal welfare, and the environment. However, are vegetarian diets for cats and dogs ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov