Judge wants to throw sexual assault victim in jail for publicly naming her attackers
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this goes two ways though. one of the easiest ways to avoid being assaulted when you're passed out drunk and underage, is to not drink to the point of intoxication. there's a novel idea.
i'm in NO WAY condoning these boys actions (because what they did makes them complete and utter arseholes) but this whole thing seems very very one-sided from here.poor innocent girl, evil villainous boys preying on her.
were her drinks spiked? did she not know that she was consuming alcohol? was she unaware of the fact that when you drink a whole shitload, you risk passing out? did she not consider for a moment at any point in her life, the fact that when you're out cold, you're vulnerable to being messed with by arseholes -not just sexually, but also generally (they'll shave your head, take pictures of you licking a dogs balls, tie you to a tree and leave, etc)? did somebody force her to drink that much?
i say this as somebody who got herself shitfaced drunk (with way too much 'help' and an incredibly distorted perspective of how much it took to get drunk) and was molested by arseholes herself, as a teen, and who took a long time to get over it, and to really get her head around it. nobody deserves to be abused or assaulted. nobody. but she was still pretty stupid to drink that much (as was i)- just like these guys (were they drunk too) were really stupid to mess with her.
I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time believing you just said that.
Is it stupid to get drunk, especially passing out drunk? Yes. The difference is, she didn't hurt anyone else. That does make her innocent.
The guys, OTOH, no matter how much they had to drink, sexually assaulted her and afterwards passed photos of it around.
I never got passing out drunk, even during my heavy drinking years in college. But most of my friends did regularly, often during parties in one of our dorm rooms. There was never any expectations of it being less than safe, and it never was, because we were all decent human beings. Good grief, there were many nights when one of my male friends would sleep it off in my room because he was too drunk to safely make it up the stairs to the third floor.
People only do while drunk what they are also capable of doing while sober, whether it's rape or a racist rant. They may lose inhibitions, but the thought/inclination is in them, drunk or sober. Being inebriated is no excuse.
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if we're labelling people either innocent or guilty, of course she's innocent. but i wouldn't call her 'pure as the driven snow'. any more than i would anybody else, and it looks like people are casting others as being either black, or white- situations as black, or white- in that respect.
in reality things just aren't safe. you might be decent human beings, so might your friends, but not everybody is. not everybody that everybody knows, is. when you check yourself out, you put yourself at risk. in your case maybe not so much of assault, but still of say.... throwing up and choking to death on it.
people are capable of some very very disturbing things. people are capable of finding themselves in situations that they never thought they would, also. drinking excessively lends itself towards those things.
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I just cant agree with that for the following reasons. If a persons wallet was stolen while they were passed out, a lot of people would say, well getting that drunk is a dumbassed thing to do, not smart. But the moral fault lies with the person who stole the wallet, the person who got drunk is only guilty of foolishness.
However if it is a sexual assault that happens instead of a wallet being stolen the game changes. People ask, what was the woman wearing? Was she behaving provocatively before passing out? Did she kiss a guy at the party? Is she sexually active? Did she know that it is not a ladylike thing to do to get drunk? And then people say "Sure, the rapist is at fault, but she is asking for it because of her stupid action in getting drunk." It is almost as if the fact that she is foolish enough to get drunk somehow absolves the perpetrator of their moral responsibilities and obligations. And the questions are asked on a scale or scope which would not occur if someone had their wallet stolen while drunk.
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oh for chrissakes. i didn't say she asked for it. in fact i said the opposite. i just hate how everybody is all blah blah blah dreadful people behind this line, blah blah sweet little angels over here behind this line... yep... that's that all neatly sorted out.
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oh trust me, if somebody had their wallet stolen while drunk, i'd be asking them if they'd been waving the thing around, where it was, how full of bills it was, where they passed out... and quite possibly also telling them they're a fricking idiot, cos people can and will potentially steal your wallet while you're passed out drunk.
True, no one is pure as the driven snow. With respect to what happened with that sexual assault, though, the girl is 100% innocent and the boys are 100% guilty. It doesn't matter whether the girl was robbing a bank earlier that day and the boys were volunteering at a soup kitchen.
Is it smart to get drunk? No. Is it smart to get drunk to the point of unconsciousness? No. Yes, one can expect to get drunk, and possibly to choke on one's own vomit, if one gets drunk. Just like one can expect to fall down the stairs if one tries to walk down them in roller skates. But if someone stupidly tries to walk down the stairs while wearing roller skates and ends up unconscious at the foot of those stairs, and then a couple of guys rape her while she's unconscious, she is no less than innocent in that rape and the guys are no less guilty because she was stupid enough to walk down the stairs in roller skates.
Is it smart to get drunk? No. Is it smart to get drunk to the point of unconsciousness? No. Yes, one can expect to get drunk, and possibly to choke on one's own vomit, if one gets drunk. Just like one can expect to fall down the stairs if one tries to walk down them in roller skates. But if someone stupidly tries to walk down the stairs while wearing roller skates and ends up unconscious at the foot of those stairs, and then a couple of guys rape her while she's unconscious, she is no less than innocent in that rape and the guys are no less guilty because she was stupid enough to walk down the stairs in roller skates.
I have. I've heard women say it too. The first time I heard it was when I was a kid, from an old woman who lived up the road. The girl was eleven and had been gang raped by a bunch of teenage boys. She had let them into the house while her parents were gone to town - she knew them from school.
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I'm still rather curious about what actually happened.
I've reread the statute, and it basically requires sexual contact.
Looking up the legal definition, I find this:
"Sexual misconduct includes a range of behaviors used to obtain sexual contact against a person's will. Sexual misconduct is defined as sexual contact without consent by an acquaintance or a stranger and includes: intentional touching without consent, either of the victim or when the victim is forced to touch, directly or through clothing, another person's genitals, breast, groin, thighs or buttocks; rape (sexual intercourse without consent or whether by an acquaintance or stranger; attempted rape; sodomy (oral or anal intercourse) without consent; or sexual penetration with an object without consent. To constitute lack of consent, the acts must be committed either by threat, force, and intimidation or through the use of the victim's mental or physical inability such as when the victim is physically or mentally incapacitated by alcohol or other drugs."
That's a wide range of behaviors. It covers everything from touching a clothed person's butt to oral sex.
So what did these boys do?
I've reread the statute, and it basically requires sexual contact.
Looking up the legal definition, I find this:
"Sexual misconduct includes a range of behaviors used to obtain sexual contact against a person's will. Sexual misconduct is defined as sexual contact without consent by an acquaintance or a stranger and includes: intentional touching without consent, either of the victim or when the victim is forced to touch, directly or through clothing, another person's genitals, breast, groin, thighs or buttocks; rape (sexual intercourse without consent or whether by an acquaintance or stranger; attempted rape; sodomy (oral or anal intercourse) without consent; or sexual penetration with an object without consent. To constitute lack of consent, the acts must be committed either by threat, force, and intimidation or through the use of the victim's mental or physical inability such as when the victim is physically or mentally incapacitated by alcohol or other drugs."
That's a wide range of behaviors. It covers everything from touching a clothed person's butt to oral sex.
So what did these boys do?
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Okay, dug around, and the only thing I found (which stems from an unconfirmed post by someone who claims to know the people involved) was that she was at a party, passed out drunk while half naked, and the two boys touched her breasts and took pictures.
Not sure if that's the truth or not. It's from a comment on this article.
At this point, the judge should just unseal the whole freaking case so we can know what happened.
Not sure if that's the truth or not. It's from a comment on this article.
At this point, the judge should just unseal the whole freaking case so we can know what happened.
I was curious, so I skimmed through the comments, but didn't see the comment you're talking about. Can you paste it?
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This attitude can be found in many places and is the reason why a lot of women who were assaulted dont go to the police. It is why I didnt go to the police after my near attack.
Ah, now I found it - it's at the end of a comment in which someone is apparently quoting things he's seen online, as far as I can figure out - the whole post reads as follows:
The following is posted on the internet, I have no way to verify if it is true or not, but here are the postings:
Their names are Austin Zehnder and Will Frey. They play on the Bluegrass Bats lacrosse team. You can find photos of the rapists on Savannah's Facebook page.
@Sean...They are not considered "alleged" if they already admitted to raping her. They even videotaped it.
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http://www.facebook.com/HelpSavannahDietrich
Will Frey and Austin Zehnder - the rapists.
Judge Deanna "Dee" McDonald, tel.# 502-595-4690
Chris Klein - rapists' lawyer - tel.# 502-589-6190
David Mejia - rapists' lawyer - tel.# 502-584-8911
Sorry I do not have a Facebook or twitter account (to better spread the word...).
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An article I've read this evening (it was published by Yahoo!).
She was not attacked or raped. She passed out drunk at a party while half naked and the guys took pictures and touched her boobs.
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I know her and the accused boys
So you're citing to a comment posted by some unknown person who is supposedly quoting what some other unknown person posted online?
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