Killing or Eating Predators Dilemma

[silva]

I'm not saying humans are above animals and are rulers over them. I'm saying animals get a free pass because they are amoral. It's just like a juvenile getting a free pass for some of their actions while adult humans do not have that privilege either by logic or even legally. I'm saying humans need to be careful of their actions, because their actions(and by extension their character) could be classified as good or evil. And so humans who do evil are lesser in the moral ladder than amoral beings.

But you absolutely are---

Animals are amoral. They just act out of instinct. They do not have the necessary cognitive capacity to process good and bad. Morality(good and bad) is one of the "burdens" of higher cognitive beings, and only humans fall under the high-cognitive-beings column. It is for us to guide their(animals/predators) actions and make sure they do not do bad things. And since they cannot process good from bad, there is no punishment for animals. Just isolate them(animals/predators) in large sanctuaries and feed them nutritionally appropriate plant based faux meat food and medical care if you don't want them killing each other.

Plus, those carnivores don't have a choice. They can only eat meat, not plants. It's not their fault they were born a carnivore. They have the right to life too. If you don't like this then, like I said above, setup a sanctuary for them.

And you will disrupt the balance of the ecosystem if you isolate them in the sanctuary. It will rebalance after sometime but the ecosystem balance will get disrupted. Will this rebalanced ecosystem have reduced pain, suffering, death in it? Probably.

Good and evil are human constructs by which you're imposing on other species.
Advocating for isolation, and denying animals their very instinctual nature is enslavement, and contrary to the the vegan tenant of 'animals are not ours....'
Animals are NOT our children

 

[Deleted member 20918]

But you absolutely are---

Good and evil are human constructs by which you're imposing on other species.
Advocating for isolation, and denying animals their very instinctual nature is enslavement, and contrary to the the vegan tenant of 'animals are not ours....'
Animals are NOT our children

I'm not imposing good and evil on other species. I'll ask you this, which lifestyle would make an animal happy, cause it less pain and keep it alive longer, constantly looking out for food, hungry and uncertainty over safety in the non-sanctuary outdoors, or readily available food, love and safety in a large sanctuary?

 

[Deleted member 20918]

I now fully get what you are saying. And I'll say this. The world is such a crazy evil place that getting people to stop intentionally hurting animals is itself a big challenge. Veganism is a reactionary philosophy which aims to tell people to stop willfully hurting the animals. Basically it's telling people DON'T HURT THESE ANIMALS. It's telling them your actions(eating, buying) are hurting animals so please stop. It's not a proactive philosophy. It does not address the animals which get hurt due to non-human actions, that is naturally occurring pain and suffering. Nor does it tell them to go proactively help the animals. There is nothing in the vegan society's definition which says go and proactively help animals which are suffering. So someone who does not eat or buy animal products but walks past a puppy crying in pain is still technically a vegan. Veganism is a good start to a world which is this evil, but it is not the end.