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- Vegan
PETA slogan..."animals are not ours to use" is this a belief ? philosophy people believe in and practise ?
Even non vegans...know this PETA slogan ...and so i ask and suggest...is this the fundamental basis of veganism or not ?
If it is...then i think it is simple and explains the WHY it is unethical according to veganism to breed and kill animals for any purpose.
it is a concept of "ownership" legally that this statement and belief involves.
Gary L Francione the Abolitionist lawyer vegan leader ...creater of the 6 principles of Abolitionist Veganism...addresses primarily in his focus to explain veganism...the notion that humans have the "right" to "own" either humans or non humans is what is morally wrong.
PET ownership is fundamentally wrong therefore as it involves humans "owning" animals and forcing sterilisations vaccinations food and leads and collars on them that control their entire lives.
Some species of wild animals are illegal to "own" by humans so protected against ownership.
The reason we have the "right" to breed and kill animals is because they are under the law..."things"..."chattels" that we own and therefore entitled to kill if we do not wish to keep owning them...that includes pets owned i add of course in case anyone doubts that...there is no distinction between a farm animal and a pet animal if the owner wants to kill them. Legally that takes place every day for both unwanted pets or farm animals....for whatever reason...no reasons are needed to kill an animal someone owns.
So i present those issues as open to replies and views firstly....
I agree...that ownership of animals by human animals is wrong ethically.
No animal in nature keeps pets. No animal in nature breeds and kills captive prisoner animals.
No animal in nature keeps and feeds an adult animal of another species for life.
All those things...are what we humans do to animals we own.
Now...any objections or views on that principle ?
Are animals...ours to own and use ethically or not ? PETA vegan slogan and Gary L Francione law professor leader of Veganism ethics says not if Vegan.
Which leads me neatly to the prompt about ...?
Using animals as pet food fodder.
I have ethically and philosophically a problem...if i accept...as i do...that "animals are not ours to use" ...then i do not see how i can then show that i breed and use animals by killing them and feeding them to an animal i keep as a prisoner pet unnaturally just because i prefer one animal to 3000 other animals.
Where ? does "responsibility" for taking lives start and end ?
If only responsible for the animals that I own...then that permits me to kill and eat even animals others own...but that i buy so end up owning when dead of course.
That is the fundamental problem i have ethically with anyone trying to justify killing bred by humans animals for use as pet food.
Views welcome....addressing the first issue...do people accept that..."animals are not ours to use" is the basis of veganism or not ?
Even non vegans...know this PETA slogan ...and so i ask and suggest...is this the fundamental basis of veganism or not ?
If it is...then i think it is simple and explains the WHY it is unethical according to veganism to breed and kill animals for any purpose.
it is a concept of "ownership" legally that this statement and belief involves.
Gary L Francione the Abolitionist lawyer vegan leader ...creater of the 6 principles of Abolitionist Veganism...addresses primarily in his focus to explain veganism...the notion that humans have the "right" to "own" either humans or non humans is what is morally wrong.
PET ownership is fundamentally wrong therefore as it involves humans "owning" animals and forcing sterilisations vaccinations food and leads and collars on them that control their entire lives.
Some species of wild animals are illegal to "own" by humans so protected against ownership.
The reason we have the "right" to breed and kill animals is because they are under the law..."things"..."chattels" that we own and therefore entitled to kill if we do not wish to keep owning them...that includes pets owned i add of course in case anyone doubts that...there is no distinction between a farm animal and a pet animal if the owner wants to kill them. Legally that takes place every day for both unwanted pets or farm animals....for whatever reason...no reasons are needed to kill an animal someone owns.
So i present those issues as open to replies and views firstly....
I agree...that ownership of animals by human animals is wrong ethically.
No animal in nature keeps pets. No animal in nature breeds and kills captive prisoner animals.
No animal in nature keeps and feeds an adult animal of another species for life.
All those things...are what we humans do to animals we own.
Now...any objections or views on that principle ?
Are animals...ours to own and use ethically or not ? PETA vegan slogan and Gary L Francione law professor leader of Veganism ethics says not if Vegan.
Which leads me neatly to the prompt about ...?
Using animals as pet food fodder.
I have ethically and philosophically a problem...if i accept...as i do...that "animals are not ours to use" ...then i do not see how i can then show that i breed and use animals by killing them and feeding them to an animal i keep as a prisoner pet unnaturally just because i prefer one animal to 3000 other animals.
Where ? does "responsibility" for taking lives start and end ?
If only responsible for the animals that I own...then that permits me to kill and eat even animals others own...but that i buy so end up owning when dead of course.
That is the fundamental problem i have ethically with anyone trying to justify killing bred by humans animals for use as pet food.
Views welcome....addressing the first issue...do people accept that..."animals are not ours to use" is the basis of veganism or not ?