Too many people in the world

What should governments do?

  • Family Planning

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • One child per family policy

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Give tax breaks for having less births

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Give incentives for having less births(food stamps)

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • More education

    Votes: 10 76.9%
  • Do nothing

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Other(explain)

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • Total voters
    13
So you'd cut funding for the poor, and they'll be better off?
Most poor would still have food stamps, all would have cheap health insurance, and I don't believe in foreign wars so they wouldn't be suffering from that either.

Decades ago we should have cut immigration altogether, and could have kept our population below 200,000,000. Making a peaceful transition to the post-fossil fuel age was possible under these circumstances. Today with a population of maybe 320,000,000 and counting, that seems very unlikely. The rich, middle, and poor all benefit from keeping our population low, and they all suffer if we don't.
 
Unlike the UK(?) the US has welfare programs run by the states.
Yes it's different here, Das.

The benefits are the same nationwide and they are quite generous too.

When I became a single dad with only two children I didn't need to take a salary out of my business at all. Still, did mind, but only up to the tax free limit.

Welfare queens, and the occasional welfare King too, are very common here. It's an established sub-culture.

Just to give you a clue, a list of the benefits I was entitled to:

Child benefit x 2
Housing benefit (basicaly all rent paid)
Council Tax Benefit (basicaly all rates paid)
Child Tax Credits
Working Tax Credits
Exemption from dental/optician/medicine fee's
CSA (not a benefit but money extracted from the absentee parent by the state)

It all added up to the equivalent of around a £30k gross salary.

Our most famous benefit king, the one who sadly burned his own children to death in a scam to keep his 'cash cow' in tact was estimated to be pulling the equivalent of a £60-70 gross salary in, btw.

None of that touches our most lauded benefit queen though; Nice House in Pall Mall, fully staffed. Private planes, trains and yachts, all tax payer funded ans about another £10m p.a. worth of miscallaneous perk thrown in.
 
Comprehensive sex education and complete access to all forms of reproductive healthcare are the way forward.

Also, widespread veg*nism would stretch our food resources a lot further...
 
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I think it should base on the circumstance of the couples of wanting children or what not, I think 2-4 children per family should be plenty for now. Plus , if a couple wants to take in unwanted children they should have breaks to do so. I think education and planned parenting and free aide to help control is wise.
 
Most poor would still have food stamps, all would have cheap health insurance, and I don't believe in foreign wars so they wouldn't be suffering from that either.

So the poor would have food. Well, as much as they get with food stamps. Which is about $112 for a single person. Or about $3.67/day if you have no income and are paying about $350 for rent. (Ain't online food stamp calculators wonderful?)

Wow, no wonder people don't want to give up being poor. Just imagine, having about $1.22 to spend on each meal!

Of course, you mention the cheap health insurance. Too bad that if you're completely poor, even "cheap" health insurance may be too expensive for you.

I really think that people don't understand what poverty is. They think that poverty isn't having the latest electronic gadgets or a newer car.

Being poor tends to be a lot worse.

Let me quote. (And I believe I've posted this before, but it needs to be said again.)

Being poor is having to keep buying $800 cars because they’re what you can afford, and then having the cars break down on you, because there’s not an $800 car in America that’s worth a damn.

Being poor is hoping the toothache goes away.

Being poor is living next to the freeway.

Being poor is wondering if your well-off sibling is lying when he says he doesn’t mind when you ask for help.

Being poor is a heater in only one room of the house.

Being poor is not enough space for everyone who lives with you.

Being poor is thinking $8 an hour is a really good deal.

Being poor is a bathtub you have to empty into the toilet.

Being poor is the police busting into the apartment right next to yours.

Being poor is needing that 35-cent raise.

Being poor is six dollars short on the utility bill and no way to close the gap.

Being poor is knowing you work as hard as anyone, anywhere.

Being poor is people surprised to discover you’re not actually stupid.

Being poor is picking the 10 cent ramen instead of the 12 cent ramen because that’s two extra packages for every dollar.

Being poor is having to live with choices you didn’t know you made when you were 14 years old.

Being poor is deciding that it’s all right to base a relationship on shelter.

Being poor is a cough that doesn’t go away.

Being poor is a $200 paycheck advance from a company that takes $250 when the paycheck comes in.

Being poor is knowing where the shelter is.

Being poor is people who have never been poor wondering why you choose to be so.

Being poor is knowing how hard it is to stop being poor.

Being poor is seeing how few options you have.

Being poor is running in place.

Being poor is people wondering why you didn’t leave.


- From here. (Great articles and comments).

Decades ago we should have cut immigration altogether, and could have kept our population below 200,000,000. Making a peaceful transition to the post-fossil fuel age was possible under these circumstances. Today with a population of maybe 320,000,000 and counting, that seems very unlikely. The rich, middle, and poor all benefit from keeping our population low, and they all suffer if we don't.

That only pushes the problem somewhere else. Kind of like when we export our pollution and trash.
 
In August we will be off of food stamps ebt card for two years. When we were on it I had it with a passion because we went from years ago from 165 dollars to over 250 dollars then it rose up to 336 by the time we were to get off food stamps. I hated taking extra aide because I knew a couple or some people that would had benefited more for that and they had kids. Somedays we just took them shopping and got them a few items on our list , we knew it was wrong but, i had a heart. When we first was on EBT card we questioned why so Low 9 years ago and they said that it was only to help us not to live on. I wish they are saying that today that they only can give so little because it was just enough for help.
 
In August we will be off of food stamps ebt card for two years. When we were on it I had it with a passion because we went from years ago from 165 dollars to over 250 dollars then it rose up to 336 by the time we were to get off food stamps. I hated taking extra aide because I knew a couple or some people that would had benefited more for that and they had kids. Somedays we just took them shopping and got them a few items on our list , we knew it was wrong but, i had a heart. When we first was on EBT card we questioned why so Low 9 years ago and they said that it was only to help us not to live on. I wish they are saying that today that they only can give so little because it was just enough for help.

$336? For how many people?
 
$336? For how many people?
That was for two people, I think it was because we only were living on my monthly check , right now, we are 25 dollars more of that in our own cash since my husband got his monthly check. I am also fixing too find a part time job.
 
That was for two people, I think it was because we only were living on my monthly check , right now, we are 25 dollars more of that in our own cash since my husband got his monthly check. I am also fixing too find a part time job.

I was wondering why it was so generous, but then I realized I did a single person calculation for someone who was renting and only paying $350/mo (renting a room or something similar) and just doubling that for two people with no kids.

But if your living expenses are higher, that would factor into food stamps.
 
Machinery made farming more efficient and we could feed more people than we could while farming by hand. Could anyone explain how we'll be able to feed 7 billion people when we have to farm by hand again? A lot of good farm land has been destroyed during that time period. What a dumb mistake it was.
 
Machinery made farming more efficient and we could feed more people than we could while farming by hand. Could anyone explain how we'll be able to feed 7 billion people when we have to farm by hand again? A lot of good farm land has been destroyed during that time period. What a dumb mistake it was.

Why do you think we'll have to farm by hand again?
 
Honestly? It's generally not in the government's best interest to limit the number of children born.

That being said, there is a direct correlation between the amount of education a woman has and the number of children she has, and the age at which she has them. So education - not just about family planning but education in general - is a good thing all around.
 
I'm pretty sure RF thinks we've hit peak oil and we're all doomed!

Remarkably so. We don't switch to some other equally-advanced alternative source of energy for tractors. We don't even fall back to steam tractors. Instead we're doing everything by hand once peak oil hits.
 
As usual, nobody answers my question.
Why do you think we'll have to farm by hand again?
Experts not associated with the Establishment pretty much say the same thing:the days of cheap oil are over. Richard Heinberg is one I'd recommend. Modern farming relies on fossil fuel, but as that becomes more and more expensive food will become more expensive. There's others we're getting short on as well(natural gas, water, copper, platinum, zinc, etc.) that could change our society completely. I'd love to be optimistic, but I see no reason to.
 
As usual, nobody answers my question.

Experts not associated with the Establishment pretty much say the same thing:the days of cheap oil are over. Richard Heinberg is one I'd recommend. Modern farming relies on fossil fuel, but as that becomes more and more expensive food will become more expensive. There's others we're getting short on as well(natural gas, water, copper, platinum, zinc, etc.) that could change our society completely. I'd love to be optimistic, but I see no reason to.

It's a sound economic principle that once prices increase, people will look for alternatives. We're using coal to generate electricity, but we can switch over to non-fossil fuel sources to generate electricity.

We can also switch from resource-intensive goods to more environmentally friendly alternatives. In the US, most of our crops goes to feed farm animals, at about a 10% efficiency rate. We'd be far better if we ate the crops directly. ;)