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I get ****** off with people who think that people can't be interested in science and also be religious.

Well, interested isn't the right term, but the thing I see people say is "believe in science" and I don't think you can believe in science. WTF does that even mean? If something has been proven scientifically, it's not a question of belief, it's fact.

When I say I believe in science, I mean I don't believe anything that's not science.
If it can't be scientifically proven or observed, I don't think it exists.
 
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is that true though?

Assuming a few things (like easy calculations), then it's true :) (or could be true). The reality is that if time extents to infinity, then there would have to be an infinite number of calculations, which is impossible. It'd also be extremely time consuming to do for a small container of gasses, since there'd be a lot of gas molecules even in that small container.

But just assume you have a really fast computer.

Isn't there still a problem with three orbiting bodies? Is that the three body problem?

The three body problem deals with the issue of interacting particles (gravity commonly but also EM forces). I stated idealized gas (which is a way to model gases as pointlike, have no intermolecular interactions, and have purely elastic collisions). :)

So yes, as we add more interactions and make the system more like what we observe (adding intermolecular forces for instance), it becomes increasingly complicated, very quickly.

If reality was digital, then you could predict the future, if you knew the present state, but I don't think reality is digital, and positions and velocities of objects would have to be represented with infinity long variables. And the state between points in time wouldn't be worked out by discreet jumps in time like 0.0001seconds, but continuously, ie no jumps.

Which is a good point. I originally limited my 'predictive' example to an idealized gas because of these and other complications and stated if you could know the velocity and position of such particles. :)

To add to that complication though, we have QM and even in Newtonian physics, indeterminacy exists. Given that, we can't be predictive for very long into the future (let alone the computational/calculation issues).
 
I'm not sure that you can ever prove something, only acquire more and more supporting evidence. You then have the choice whether to believe in one hypothesis or another.

I like the idea of not believing in anything, but viewing the world in terms of assumptions and truth intervals (or probabilistic uncertainties) for statements.
 
I get ****** off with people who think that people can't be interested in science and also be religious.

Well, interested isn't the right term, but the thing I see people say is "believe in science" and I don't think you can believe in science. WTF does that even mean? If something has been proven scientifically, it's not a question of belief, it's fact.

I wish they'd differentiate between the subject of science, as it is commonly used, and the scientific method of analysis, as a process of inquiry which is applicable to pretty much any question to which facts may be applied.

I don't believe in science, I believe in the scientific method. Science is just as susceptible to flaws as any other thing people can believe.
 
In fact I wouldnt vote for either of them as they are conservatives. I would rather they were just princes.
 
Yes, that makes him a good prince and public figure. Not a good president/prime minister.
 
No, that is what a president is in a corrupt world. But a lot of people want something more than that.
 
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I used to think like you... everything could be explained by a mathematical equation... but I think quite differently now. How do you explain art?

Art is something that people happen to enjoy. It probably touches on the fact that our brains have become so crazy complicated that we need some way to express the emotions that we can now analyze because they serve a more complex purpose in our lives than just survival. It's cool but it's not magical, it's just an expression of things that are happening. Even if we don't fully understand them, and even if we never will, it doesn't mean they don't work in a specific way.

Oh poo on all of you. :p

There is a point to Life. Each and every one of us has a purpose we need to strive for to keep life being, well, life. Even all you are able to strive for is just to maintain your person - that's still a point, a purpose. I don't believe we all have a Purpose that we were Born To Do, as I don't buy into the whole predestination thing (kinda nonsense if you ask me); but neither do I think our brains are nothing but supercomputers, as suggested above. There is something unquantifiable about Life - something that science cannot explain, that an equation will never beable to work out. A "soul" if you will (although I find that word - and all the baggage it comes with - problematic), a spark, a desire - a drive deep down in our very being - to make the world wonderful in our own unique way. And I don't think this spark is unique to human life.

And I am neither religious or an optimist - as someone suggested upthread. Neither am I overly romantic, I consider myself a realist - a realist who can still maintain her faith in humanity.

Let me just say this: it is very easy to be sentimental and sentimentality is a part of life. But it is also the same kind of thing as every single other feeling. That "unquantifiable" part of life is just a feeling created by something quantifiable.
 
We have birds nesting in our garden...building a nest for their babies...Next doors cat has just tried to get at the nest.
Cats are nasty horrible creatures. I do destest them so. Sorry I know alot of you guys have them as pets but I do not see the appeal...at all.


NB-Of course I would never hurt or wish harm on one...
 
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I so love cats but I understand your sentiment when it comes to their natural instinct. I always had outdoor cats until recently. It is so much more enjoyable not having to worry about them leaving me some unwanted "gift" at my door. :(
 
cats become so focussed when they are hunting, it's weird......I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be a small mouse being played with by a cat.
 
I can understand why people don't like cats, I didn't like them at all until I was a teenager. My cats don't catch anything since I stopped letting them go out when it was dark and now we have the enclosure they have no chance of catching anything.:cool:Birds kill too though, I have had birds catching frogs and dropping them into my garden. :eek:
 
cats become so focussed when they are hunting, it's weird......I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be a small mouse being played with by a cat.

******* horrible, I should imagine.

The thing that irked me was that my neighbours were outside...so probably knew the cat was in our garden. It actually jumped up the wall to try and reach the nestbox. Vile thing. Probably went to **** in some poor sods vegetable patch.o_O

I know other animals kill but cats are people pets, they dont NEED to kill to survive. Those birds probably meant to eat the frog.

HA...Advice on a help website:

To keep visiting cats away from your plants place a litter box in your garden & keep it clear of poo when they use it or make one area into a cat friendly dirt box for them to use.


How about no.
 
A lot of animals kill for fun, not just cats - dogs, foxes, any animal in the weasel family, etc. - the list is long. It's built into their genes as part of their survival strategy - practice makes perfect. Unlike humans, they don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the effect of what they are doing, so they cannot be faulted, not logically.