400lbs-Starting a natural vegan diet.

[fakei]

What I disliked about that video was how presumptuous, with that Jeff guy really cherry picking.
Dr Greger in particular doesn't sell anything, and his advice is very much about eating real foods that are obtainable, and affordable by all. He's quite transparent with his research findings

The one I do take issue with is Furhman as he absolutely does shill products.
Really have to take it all with an open mind.

Not selling products doesn't mean he is not being sponsored.

Jeff has a point, on one side you have physicians with clinical practice who along with others did important research like Ornish, Campbell, or run a very successful program like Esselstyn, and on the other people who are very popular with the crowd but don't have the same credentials and are disagreeing on issues they find relevant.

Their points of contention may be irrelevant from the perspective of a healthy person, like for instance someone who has no problem consuming olive oil, but it is for a person with a serious heart condition to whom the saturated fat in olive oil and its vasoconstritor effect can mean a premature death. The same would apply to other health problems.

 

[shyvas]

It wasn't random, it was because of a video somebody posted concerning a debate over tooth cavities. My post was about the basics being simple and flossing doesn't come into the basics. It might be more ideal but a lot of people don't do it and don't have problems. Regular visits to the doctor won't keep you healthy either and is an irrelevant distraction from what I was trying to say. It isn't about doctors and medicine that most people don't need most of the time, it is about what I do in my life to maintain good health.

Now I understand why you mentioned brushing one's teeth. I don't watch these videos of doctor's giving advice, so wasn't aware of what was being discussed.

 

[silva]

But Fuhrman's nutritarian diet is very close to what Gregar recommends.

Eat to Live was pretty much my start into wfpb eating, however in the last few years Fuhrman has been shilling supplements and packages.
I find Esselstyn to most like Greger in common sense eating and preparation of basic foods with the elimination of all fats in Esselstyns program for heart disease.
The daily dozen is simply a list of food groups that is based on how how much of each to have each day to maintain optimum nutrition. Everything else is his further research, which can be used to optimize your diet, but is never touted as all or nothing. His critics focus on his research, but Gregers message is always based on the basics.
I just find Greger to be far more pragmatic in his approach

 

[silva]

Not selling products doesn't mean he is not being sponsored.

Jeff has a point, on one side you have physicians with clinical practice who along with others did important research like Ornish, Campbell, or run a very successful program like Esselstyn, and on the other people who are very popular with the crowd but don't have the same credentials and are disagreeing on issues they find relevant.

Their points of contention may be irrelevant from the perspective of a healthy person, like for instance someone who has no problem consuming olive oil, but it is for a person with a serious heart condition to whom the saturated fat in olive oil and its vasoconstritor effect can mean a premature death. The same would apply to other health problems.

Who sponsors Dr Greger??
Oil is known to contribute to vasculor disease.

 

[Lou]

Eat to Live was pretty much my start into wfpb eating, however in the last few years Fuhrman has been shilling supplements and packages.
I find Esselstyn to most like Greger in common sense eating and preparation of basic foods with the elimination of all fats in Esselstyns program for heart disease.
The daily dozen is simply a list of food groups that is based on how how much of each to have each day to maintain optimum nutrition. Everything else is his further research, which can be used to optimize your diet, but is never touted as all or nothing. His critics focus on his research, but Gregers message is always based on the basics.
I just find Greger to be far more pragmatic in his approach

yeah. Gregar is my favorite now. but Eat to Live was like the second vegan nutrition book I read and I still really like it.

 

[fakei]

Who sponsors Dr Greger??
Oil is known to contribute to vasculor disease.

Don't know but you were the one who said:

Dr Greger in particular doesn't sell anything,

I pointed out that not selling products doesn't mean he doesn't have other conflict of interests.

 

[fakei]

But again it was my bad. Jeff is talking to an audience that accompanies his channel and to which his statements will probably not sound as gratuitous as they sound watching this video alone.

 

[Lou]

Don't know but you were the one who said:



I pointed out that not selling products doesn't mean he doesn't have other conflict of interests.

Well, he does have NutritionFacts.org but I don't think he sells ad space there. and he posts a lot to YouTube and that can be profitable. plus he is an author and makes money from his books.
but I think the thing is that he doesn't have a store like Fuhrman does.

 

[Emma JC]

But again it was my bad. Jeff is talking to an audience that accompanies his channel and to which his statements will probably not sound as gratuitous as they sound watching this video alone.

I don't think it was a bad thing to post the video - Jeff has a lot of great information in it and many people would find it helpful, it is just his attitude that I don't like. Many people also have a hard time listening to Dr Greger because of his dramatics. Because I value him I don't mind him however sending people to watch his videos doesn't always pay off unless you warn them in advance. I appreciate your contribution.

Emma JC
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[ConvenientVegan]

Eat to Live was pretty much my start into wfpb eating, however in the last few years Fuhrman has been shilling supplements and packages.
I find Esselstyn to most like Greger in common sense eating and preparation of basic foods with the elimination of all fats in Esselstyns program for heart disease.
The daily dozen is simply a list of food groups that is based on how how much of each to have each day to maintain optimum nutrition. Everything else is his further research, which can be used to optimize your diet, but is never touted as all or nothing. His critics focus on his research, but Gregers message is always based on the basics.
I just find Greger to be far more pragmatic in his approach

Has anyone checked out the Food Revolution Network, with Ocean Robbins? I'd be curious to know what you all think. When I first decided to go vegan, about a year ago, a friend, who is flexatarian, recommended the organization. I found it inspiring and fun. Let me know what you think--you all are much more experienced than I. Thanks!! : )

 

[silva]

Has anyone checked out the Food Revolution Network, with Ocean Robbins? I'd be curious to know what you all think. When I first decided to go vegan, about a year ago, a friend, who is flexatarian, recommended the organization. I found it inspiring and fun. Let me know what you think--you all are much more experienced than I. Thanks!! : )

John Robbins books were as inspirational to my going vegan in my late 30s as Diet for a Small planet was in my teens.
I loved the audio series Food revolution puts our every spring, but v the v last few years they've had more shills, and not all plant speakers. I felt too much woo, too much gift

 

[ConvenientVegan]

John Robbins books were as inspirational to my going vegan in my late 30s as Diet for a Small planet was in my teens.
I loved the audio series Food revolution puts our every spring, but v the v last few years they've had more shills, and not all plant speakers. I felt too much woo, too much gift

silva, I got you on that. Ocean is always pushing membership in his "club", and the message gets repetitive over time. We can be excited about new things, then we move on, learn more, experience better. The Vegan Life grows with us... : )

 

[fakei]

Haven't watched it all yet but there's a new video on weight loss Dr. Barnard. @Graeme M it mentions Mediterranean diet at 10:30. But I get the impression is the modern version and not the Cretan.