Are Roasted Unsalted Peanuts healthy?

[Lou]

I think the lectin issue is overblown. Don't listen to Dr. Grundy.
Not sure about the thyroid problem but like many foods - don't overdo peanuts.
Dr Gregar recommends 2 servings a nuts a day. That is like 2 tbsps.

 

[sugarhiccup]

I think the lectin issue is overblown. Don't listen to Dr. Grundy.
Not sure about the thyroid problem but like many foods - don't overdo peanuts.
Dr Gregar recommends 2 servings a nuts a day. That is like 2 tbsps.

Don't think the lectin issue is overblown. I myself have issues with lectins, oxalates and so on and have to prepare my food to get rid of them, or the best I can, or I have problems with my joints, muscles and stomach as well as thyroid. It's not fun. I was sad when finding out about peanuts because I love peanut butter and it it a few times a week.

 

[Lou]

Don't think the lectin issue is overblown. I myself have issues with lectins, oxalates and so on and have to prepare my food to get rid of them, or the best I can, or I have problems with my joints, muscles and stomach as well as thyroid. It's not fun. I was sad when finding out about peanuts because I love peanut butter and it it a few times a week.

OK, I'll agree with you so far as lectins are a problem in specific issues. and thyroid issues are not That uncommon. But most people don't have to worry about lectins.
and even for thyroid patients maybe lectins aren't so bad.

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[KLS52]

I'm still on the fence with lectins and whether or not they aggravate my inflammatory issues. I seem to be fine as long as I'm not consuming them every day.

 

[Lou]

Are Lectins in Food Good or Bad for You? | NutritionFacts.org

Might lectins help explain why those who eat more beans and whole grains have less cancer? Lectins are to blame for the great “white kidney bean incident”

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[Datel]

Are Lectins in Food Good or Bad for You? | NutritionFacts.org

Might lectins help explain why those who eat more beans and whole grains have less cancer? Lectins are to blame for the great “white kidney bean incident”

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If you don’t presoak them, you need to boil large kidney beans for a full hour to completely destroy all the lectins, though if you first soak them overnight 98 percent of the lectins are gone after boiling for just 15 minutes and all are gone by half an hour, as you can see at 0:44 in my video Are Lectins in Food Good or Bad for You?.

And the water has to be poured away? Because the lectins are in it?

So is it enough then to soak mung beans, black beans, green peas, lentils for about 2, 3 hours and cook them for 14, 15 minutes at low temperature? And soaking kidneys for 8 hours and cookimg them for 45 Min. is enough?

 

[Lou]

I'm no expert. although I have researched this, over time I have forgotten the details. but the take-away that I arrived at is that Lectins are Not Bad.
Sure, there is lectin poisoning but as long as you cook your beans or buy canned beans, you're not going to get poisoned. And I don't think you have to "completely destroy all the lectins". I'm pretty sure that lectins in reasonable amounts are actually good for you.
“How doses of lectins may be beneficial by stimulating gut function, limiting tumor growth, and ameliorating obesity.”
This comes down to the concept that "Too much of a good thing". Or moderation in all things.

Are Lectins in Food Good or Bad for You? | NutritionFacts.org

Might lectins help explain why those who eat more beans and whole grains have less cancer? Lectins are to blame for the great “white kidney bean incident”

nutritionfacts.org

Although it's sort of besides the point, I became interested in researching this topic when I was accidentally introduced to some of Dr. Grundy's and Tom Brady's ideas. I thank Dr. Gregar for exposing Grundy as a quack.
Tom Brady was convinced that night shades caused inflammation. I think Tom's inflammation might have been more of a result of being smashed into the ground by 300 pound defensive linemen on a regular basis.

 

[Datel]

I'm no expert. although I have researched this, over time I have forgotten the details. but the take-away that I arrived at is that Lectins are Not Bad.
Sure, there is lectin poisoning but as long as you cook your beans or buy canned beans, you're not going to get poisoned. And I don't think you have to "completely destroy all the lectins". I'm pretty sure that lectins in reasonable amounts are actually good for you.
“How doses of lectins may be beneficial by stimulating gut function, limiting tumor growth, and ameliorating obesity.”
This comes down to the concept that "Too much of a good thing". Or moderation in all things.

Yes, but how does one get the beneficial doses of lectins? How should one be able to achieve the exact dose or one of them (e.g. by shorter or longer cooking/soaking) that is the right dose / one of the right ones and not one that would result in poisoning? Apart from that one does not even know what dosages the beneficial ones are. I think I've read, eating just four raw kidney beans can be very unpleasant. So there doesn't seem to be much leeway there. Thank you for the link!

Tom Brady was convinced that night shades caused inflammation.

Wondering how he came up with this idea. But might be a good headline: 300 pound defensive linemen cause inflammation. That's why from now on they can only weigh a maximum of 200 pounds.

 

[Tom L.]

@Datel I don't follow American (or European) Football that much, but at first I thought you were referring to the American Football player. I had to grin about defensive linemen causing inflammation. (and quite a few other conditions for opposing team members).

 

[Datel]

Ah, so do I, I do not even have any idea of any kind of Football (I had to look up Tom), apart from that American Football is played with a deformed ball and Europeen football with a - I would say - usual ball. But maybe even that is wrong.

 

[Lou]

Yes, but how does one get the beneficial doses of lectins?

oh. sorry, I seem to have misspoke.
too much lectins are toxic. Lectins don't have nutritional value for humans,The foods that are high in lectins are beneficial not because they contain lectins but because of all the other nutrients they contain. Although there are not nutrients unique to foods containing lectins - and one Could survive on a lectin free diet, it would make good nutrition that much more difficult. As a vegan, my varied diet relies quite a bit on peanuts, beans, tomatoes, wheat, and lentils.
you can make sure that you don't eat too many lectins by cooking those foods.
The lectins in peanuts can be reduced by dry roasting.
Other high lectin foods can be consumed raw, (like tomatoes,) safely by simply eating them in moderation. Except for most of the beans which should always be cooked.

Lectins

Lectins, or hemagglutinins, are an “anti-nutrient” that have received much attention due to popular media and fad diet books citing lectins as a major cause for obesity, chronic inflammation, and a…

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There might be a parallel with quarterbacks and lineman. Quarterbacks don't need to completely avoid getting hit by lineman. To completely avoid lineman they would have to stay off the field. but for their health they should avoid lineman and minimize their contact as much as possible.

 

[Datel]

oh. sorry, I seem to have misspoke.

No, no, I don't think so.

too much lectins are toxic.

Yes, that is what I understood.

Lectins don't have nutritional value for humans,

But that was what I understood from Mr. Greger, that they have nutritional value. In a special / small doses (before it gets overdosed and toxic). In this video or one of the others about lectins:

The lectins in peanuts can be reduced by dry roasting.

I assume, there usually are only roasted peanuts available in the shops anyway. Or not? Dry roasting beans to reduce lectins / to make the beans edible / not toxic lasts longer than cooking them, if I remember correctly, I have heard from Mr. Greger. So I guess, roasting peanuts should last quite a long time to really get them non-toxic. But a special amount of not roasted peanuts should be edible as well without problems. Or am I wrong?

you can make sure that you don't eat too many lectins by cooking those foods.

Yes, and by soaking and dumping the water after soaking and rinsing again before cooking.

So maybe that would be a new kind of Quarterbacks: to avoid stress, broken bones and inflammation they would stay off the field. And when the deformed ball gets off the field and happens to come near them, they simply kick it back onto the field without stress, inflammation and a good resting heart rate.

 

[Lou]

But that was what I understood from Mr. Greger, that they have nutritional value. In a special / small doses (before it gets overdosed and toxic). In this video or one of the others about lectins:

It's Dr. Gregar.

Lectins serve a protective function for plants as they grow. They don't have any nutritional value when consumed in foods.​

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The amount you’d need to consume each day to get to that (dangerous) level, however, is much higher than a typical diet would include​

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the risk of adverse health effects arising from lectin-rich foods that aren’t raw is not cause for concern.​

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most foods that contain lectins are recommended as part of a healthy, well-balanced diet.​

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Mayo Clinic Q and A: What are dietary lectins and should you avoid eating them? - Mayo Clinic News Network

DEAR MAYO CLINIC: I keep reading about weight loss and other health benefits from a diet where people eliminate lectins. Is there any truth to the claim that a lectin-free diet can cure autoimmune diseases and other health problems? ANSWER: No scientific evidence exists to show that eliminating...

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[Datel]

They don't have any nutritional value when consumed in foods.

OK, how to evaluate/understand this information (from 1:31) from (very sorry, didn't want to seem disrespectful) Mr. Dr. Greger:
(from) "...low doses of Lectins may be beneficial...".

The amount you’d need to consume each day to get to that (dangerous) level, however, is much higher than a typical diet would include

Yes, I would actually assume that too. A risk could perhaps be incorrect preparation: cooked too briefly / soaked too briefly / soaking water not thrown away.

Many thanks for the link! Very good information!

 

[Tom L.]

Ah, so do I, I do not even have any idea of any kind of Football (I had to look up Tom), apart from that American Football is played with a deformed ball and Europeen football with a - I would say - usual ball. But maybe even that is wrong.

I thought European football was what we call "Soccer" in the U.S.; I did a bit of Googling, and apparently this is so. European and American football differ in other ways; @Lou described some of the other differences between the two in his post above better than I could. I went to some of my high school's football games, but that was a LONG time ago.

Sorry to get the thread off-topic. There's undoubtedly a thread with people posting about both kinds of football in another forum, if anybody wants to discuss them

 

[silva]

It's Dr. Gregar.

Lectins serve a protective function for plants as they grow. They don't have any nutritional value when consumed in foods.​

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The amount you’d need to consume each day to get to that (dangerous) level, however, is much higher than a typical diet would include​

​

the risk of adverse health effects arising from lectin-rich foods that aren’t raw is not cause for concern.​

​

most foods that contain lectins are recommended as part of a healthy, well-balanced diet.​

​

Mayo Clinic Q and A: What are dietary lectins and should you avoid eating them? - Mayo Clinic News Network

DEAR MAYO CLINIC: I keep reading about weight loss and other health benefits from a diet where people eliminate lectins. Is there any truth to the claim that a lectin-free diet can cure autoimmune diseases and other health problems? ANSWER: No scientific evidence exists to show that eliminating...

newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org

OK, how to evaluate/understand this information (from 1:31) from (very sorry, didn't want to seem disrespectful) Mr. Dr. Greger:
(from) "...low doses of Lectins may be beneficial...".

Yes, I would actually assume that too. A risk could perhaps be incorrect preparation: cooked too briefly / soaked too briefly / soaking water not thrown away.

Many thanks for the link! Very good information!

The small amount of lectins that remain in cooked beans do carry nutritional value, as stated in Gregers vid:

While canning may completely eliminate lectins from most canned beans, some residual lectin activity may remain in canned kidney beans, though apparently not enough to result in toxicity. And, ironically, “How doses of lectins may be beneficial by stimulating gut function, limiting tumor growth, and ameliorating obesity.” What? I thought lectins were toxic.

For as long as people have speculated dietary lectins are harmful, others have conjectured that they may be protective. “If this theory is correct, appropriate lectins by mouth should be of use in the prophylaxis [prevention] (and possibly treatment) of colon cancer.” Or, of course, we could just eat our beans.

 

[Datel]

I thought European football was what we call "Soccer" in the U.S.

Ah, OK, so I have even less idea than I already assumed. Yes, that somehow sounds right.

Sorry to get the thread off-topic. There's undoubtedly a thread with people posting about both kinds of football in another forum, if anybody wants to discuss them

Thank you. But I guess, they would throw me, having any idea of nothing (so no basis for a post), out of there very quickly.

The small amount of lectins that remain in cooked beans do carry nutritional value, as stated in Gregers vid:

According to some studies, yes. Lectins that may (or may not) remain in cooked beans or whatever (according to their preparation). So I guess, there is no way to deliberately achieve the advantageous/tolerable/healthy dosages (unknown quantity). There is apparently only the possibility that normal cooking / preparation does not make ALL lectins unusable. Or roasted peanuts may have some. In other words: it is completely uncertain how much lectin you absorb.

 

[Tom L.]

I recently bought several pounds of dry-roasted unsalted peanuts, and have bought them before- they're a staple of mine. But I don't eat more than a half-cup a day (if that). I eat a lot of legumes generally, but I'm pretty sure they're hard to digest raw- regardless of how much lectin they contain. One of the posts or links above mentioned kidney beans as a potential problem, and I've read someplace else that they are particularly risky to eat raw.

 

[Lou]

I've read someplace else that they are particularly risky to eat raw.

yes. A lot of the stuff we posted mentioned that they can be Lethal.

 

[Lou]

Just a little off topic.

Today an acquaintance of mine and I was talking about our thyroid issues. We both have elevated TSH levels (1). She was told by her chiropractor (2) to eat 2 - 3 Brazil nuts each day. She has been doing that and her TSH levels have decreased. Her TSH was only slightly elevated but is now close to normal.

I think I'll try it. However I don't know, not only if it will help but if I'll be able to tell. (3)

Anyway I checked online to buy them and you can buy them raw or roasted. and salted or not. I checked and Brazil nuts do contain Lectins. So I'm thinking Roasted and Unsalted should be the best option.

Brazil nuts also contain Selenium which is probably the ingredient that helps with the thyroid and cholesterol. But selenium can also be toxic. So the recommendation is no more than 5 a day. I'm thinking I'll just try two a day.

1. We are both Head and Neck cancer survivors, and the radiation damaged our thyroids.

2. I think chiropractors are quacks. but I've heard this thing about Brazil nuts from other sources. Even NutritionFacts think it's worth trying - but for cholerseraol lowering.

3. For the most part TSH levels should be under 5. she had like 5.5. and got it down to 4.5. but my TSH levels are almost off the chart. One time it was 20. And the amount if fluctuates is by way more that 5.