UK Brexit - should the UK leave the EU?

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Boris Johnson is (or maybe used to be!) very popular as he acts like a buffoon for the media, despite being very intelligent and calculating IMO. He was voted in as London mayor twice, despite the fact that London is very Labour leaning so that explains how popular he was. He used to present a comedy political programme called Have I got News for You and he got a lot of fame from that.
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Wikipedia said this about Johnson's comparison to Trump:

More recently, Johnson has invoked comparisons to 2016 Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.[383][384] In June 2016, Nick Clegg described him as "like Donald Trump with a thesaurus",[385] while fellow Conservative MP Kenneth Clarke described him as a "nicer Donald Trump"[386] and EU official Martin Selmayr described the potential election of Johnson and Trump to the leadership of their respective countries as a "horror scenario".[387] However, Johnson has chosen to distance himself from Trump, criticising him on numerous occasions.[388][389]
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Boris Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I assume that wall painting of Trump and Johnson kissing was meant solely as a protrait of their supposed political affinity.
 
David Cameron (the British Prime Minister) and Boris Johnson were at Oxford University together and were both in a dining club. Bullingdon Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cameron is 2nd from the left in the back row and Boris is obviously the blonde man sitting at the right of the picture.

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Joe said:
I assume that wall painting of Trump and Johnson kissing was meant solely as a protrait of their supposed political affinity.
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Yes, it was street art, in Bristol I think.
 
Moll Flanders said:
David Cameron (the British Prime Minister) and Boris Johnson were at Oxford University together and were both in a dining club. Bullingdon Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cameron is 2nd from the left in the back row and Boris is obviously the blonde man sitting at the right of the picture.

cameroneton2_468x420.jpg




Yes, it was street art, in Bristol I think.
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Is the picture you posted above the one this paragraph in Wikipedia describes?

A number of photographs of club members have emerged over the years which give insights into the members.

A photograph taken in 1987 depicting David Cameron and Boris Johnson together amongst other members of the club, including Jonathan Ford of the Financial Times,[30] is perhaps the most well-known example. In an interview with the BBC's Andrew Marr, David Cameron said that the photograph was an embarrassment.[31] BBC Two's Newsnight commissioned a painting to recreate the photograph because the photographers who own the copyright objected to it being published on commercial grounds.[9][32]
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I don't know why Cameron would call it an embarrassment.
 
I do not doubt that some group of pro-brexit hackers tries to discredit the petition by uploading ostensibly wrong names, but the petition as a whole does make sense to me (as far as petitions generally do make sense to me, which, I have to say, is not very far)
 
BTW, I - as an Austrian living and working first in Spain, and then in Germany - never thought of myself as either an immigrant or an expat, I simply considered myself a European living and working in Europe.

Guess the Brexit rhetoric changed that for the British...... :(
 
Mark Blyth, professor of Political Economy at Brown University, talks about the Brexit vote and the ramifications on the UK and Europe.

 
Nature abhors a vacuum - so hold onto your hats, and may comonsense prevail! (What are the UKIP people going to talk about now? :D)

Brexit: Labour crisis and George Osborne speech - BBC News
Simon Walker, head of the business group the Institute of Directors, says he's "scared" by the impact of Brexit.

Speaking on Radio 4's Today Programme he quotes the Leave economist Patrick Minford who said that Brexit would "mostly eliminate manufacturing" in the UK but that shouldn't scare people.

"Well it scares me," says Mr Walker.

His group has surveyed its 1,000 members and the negativity "surprised me", he adds.

Two-thirds think it is negative for their business, 36% are planning to cut investment, 22% are planning a hiring freeze, while 5% are planning to cut jobs
 
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So what's up with Labour?
What are all these resignations and sackings about?
Can anybody explain that in simple terms or share a link that does?
 
Andy_T said:
So what's up with Labour?
What are all these resignations and sackings about?
Can anybody explain that in simple terms or share a link that does?
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Labour's leader faces a vote of no confidence over claims he was "lacklustre" during the EU referendum.
EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn vows to fight for leadership and reshape cabinet - BBC News

follow the blood letting as it happens at Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn Labour crisis and George Osborne speech - BBC News

Et tu Brute?
 
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Joe said:
Hah! Liberal Media Gets Punked by 4Chan - Petition for Second Brexit Vote was Spammed


This webpage claims that petition for second Brexit referendum was a hoax.
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Interesting - because I had heard this: Brexit: Petition calling for second EU vote created by Leave backer - CNN.com

The 'finish' date on the petition would certainly back it up - 25th November 2016 suggests it was created on 25th May, before the vote happened, as petitions run for 6 months.

Although I don't think it was created as a hoax, I have seen several people claiming it has been signed by scripts and bots. But I believe it has been signed and shared enough by legitimate people that it still warrants the debate in parliament (over 100,000 means it must be debated).

People complaining about the petition being illegal and so on are wrong. I found a handy table the other day showing times in the past that a referendum-style vote has been close (50-60%), and what each country did on each issue - it was a mixture of went with it, ignored it, and held a re-vote. Can't seem to find it now though.
 
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I'm losing track, more people have resigned in the time I walked downstairs. Shadow energy and climate change secretary Lisa Nandy and shadow work and pensions secretary Owen Smith have told the BBC that they have both resigned from the shadow cabinet. They were just saying on the BBC that there might be a new political party formed as a result of this.
Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn Labour crisis and George Osborne speech - BBC News

JC has lost 2 dozen ministers.:eek:

Andy_T said:
So what's up with Labour?
What are all these resignations and sackings about?
Can anybody explain that in simple terms or share a link that does?
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I did post a link!

Andy_T said:
The ironic thing is that for me, the baked beans is about the only thing that I and other vegans can eat (other than the German beer and the fresh fruit, that is :D)
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I thought the same thing when I first saw the photo.:p

AeryFairy said:
People complaining about the petition being illegal and so on are wrong. I found a handy table the other day showing times in the past that a referendum-style vote has been close (50-60%), and what each country did on each issue - it was a mixture of went with it, ignored it, and held a re-vote. Can't seem to find it now though.
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Yes, people are acting like it would be impossible to have a second one which isn't true.
 
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