Cats: A Love-Hate Relationship

[Gaspard]

So I spoke to my neighbour (about random subjects). He told me his pussycat was rescued when she was young. Her face was horribly injured. Now she’s fine. The guy told me he needs her to kill mice in his barn. He thinks she's a good hunter "she even kills lizards", he said... He’s afraid someday she’ll bring him a viper.

As a coincidence, yesterday, as I was admiring again a European Green Lizard in my wall, I heard her pitifully meowing... So I had to save her: she was blocked on my balcony...
My girlfriend and her sister often cuddle this nasty pussycat. This heartless felin monster even managed to get some affection from me. Gosh! I hate her but I cannot help loving her at the same time!
Why can't I use violence against her? yesterday, I just walked behind her so she got out of my garden... But then she came back very soon. Even though I was very clear I don't want her around, she still visits me, teases me and purrs...
I hate her.

 

[Booney]

Thanks Vegan Dogs for the info. I know that most of it may seem obvious but actually you’ve really made me think.
OK so we’ve 2 rescue dogs that are fed Vegan, actually one of them is virtually a Fruitarian at times! Now the cat (also rescued at age 12) is physiologically a true carnivore which is why we decided on a organic meat rich diet. But thinking about that it makes no sense because the pet food is cooked and they wouldn’t normally do that for themselves! So I’d like to know more about our cat becoming Vegan if you’ve any advise then please do tell.
Oh, and apparently the Bird-safe collar does also work with Lizards, but as you say the ultimate solution is to put them in Lockdown!

 

[Gaspard]

Kitties rule..

Yea. Kitties rule by killing rabbits

Kitties rules by killing rats:

And also kitties rules by earasing speicies. Feral cats are estimated to kill more than two million native animals a day in Australia.
People liked your posts:"kitties rule". That is outragous on a vegan forum.

 

[Mischief]

People liked your posts:"kitties rule". That is outragous on a vegan forum.

This is an interesting statement from someone who created a thread with the title "The Cat Hater Thread".

I'm assuming your hatred extends to all predators, not just cats, since the behaviors you complain of are by no means unique to cats.

 

[Gaspard]

This is an interesting statement from someone who created a thread with the title "The Cat Hater Thread".

I'm assuming your hatred extends to all predators, not just cats, since the behaviors you complain of are by no means unique to cats.

No. My hatred is related to predators that we breed. Some domesticated cats kill up to 50 wild animals every single day. How's that vegan? It is outrageous !

Just a reminder that here most people did show zero empathy with the victims of these cats. Most people didn’t care about my sadness. They just wanted to express that cats have all rights especially the right to needlessly kill the wildlife. Did you see the video where a cat kills a bunny? Yea. A child plays with a bunny and then a cat kills the rabbit. Nice. Is it the so called “cycle of life”? Is it fine because the cat is a predator?

Being vegan is about responsibility and empathy. It's not about having a love and hate relationship with "cute animals".

Yea I created the “cat hater thread”. I especially wanted to p*ss off people who love cute cat pictures without thinking much about them. Most cute cat pictures reinforce the cat market: I'm quite sure many of these images, on our forum, are from breeders. I'd bet 99% of them are not vegan. And many of them hunt and massively kill the wildlife.

You don’t need to be an animal lover to be a vegan. I don’t sell my love to get approval on a forum. And my affection is not about saying superficial commonplaces to get likes. You can be shallow all right. I’m fine with that. But please stop to be so by admiring deadly animals that we bread.

And, just in case, it wasn’t clear: this thread is dedicated to the victims of our cats. A cat killed my lizard friend. I would have appreciated that you passed your condolences to me rather than defending the murderer.

 

[Mork]

Cats dont know any better, neither does any other animal, to hate them omg you are vegans, I cant even put into words how vile this thread is, HATE HUMANS if you need so badly to hate, they put a million cats here, but its not like we intended this negative consequence on wildlife either, it just happened as we used them for function and then bonded after, the cats are INNOCENT people caused this!

Dogs kill lizards too!

Chickens kill lizards.

Pigs or bore kill lizards.

Lizards kill pigs

Lizards kill cats

Lizards kill dogs

Lizards kill chickens

They are INNOCENT "STUPID" AND HARD WIRED to behave like this, how can you hate? How stupid is it to hate? (Extremely)

Dogs and cats are related! You hurt a cat and you hurt a large % of the biology of a dog too since they share a common ancestor (see the hyena which is more cat than dog)

Looks at the whiskers on the head and cheeks of a cat and dog, and the whisker holes, look at the paw pads, look at the teeth, look at the lips of the mouth near the nose, they are the same damn animal only slightly modified for a different evolutionary role.

OMG this place is disappointingly dim !

 

[silva]

...and lizards eat lizards.
I absolutely believe cats, being the domesticated animals they are, against their own nature, should be indoor animals, spayed or neutered.
For their own good, and the good of the creature they would prey on.
They are my primary desire to have lab grown meat!

 

[Mork]

...and lizards eat lizards.
I absolutely believe cats, being the domesticated animals they are, against their own nature, should be indoor animals, spayed or neutered.
For their own good, and the good of the creature they would prey on.
They are my primary desire to have lab grown meat!

Agreed they just get run down by cars in huge numbers anyway. Its good for the cats, the wild life, for people that hate cats, its just win all around, it should imo be law to keep whatever animal you have confined to your garden and property like in America. My mother has cats that are fenced into her garden that way they can go outside too but cant hunt or get run over (they never catch anything because the range is so small)

Imo the reduced life a cat has by not going outside much (except on leash etc ) is better than a cat that gets smashed by a car which is usually what happens sooner or later ( for people that dont have their own gardens) we are still carrying on like its 1950 and there's no traffic about and its more rural, that doesn't work anymore

 

[Gaspard]

Cats dont know any better, neither does any other animal, to hate them omg you are vegans, I cant even put into words how vile this thread is, HATE HUMANS if you need so badly to hate, they put a million cats here, but its not like we intended this negative consequence on wildlife either, it just happened as we used them for function and then bonded after, the cats are INNOCENT people caused this!

Dogs kill lizards too!

Chickens kill lizards.

Pigs or bore kill lizards.

Lizards kill pigs

Lizards kill cats

Lizards kill dogs

Lizards kill chickens

They are INNOCENT "STUPID" AND HARD WIRED to behave like this, how can you hate? How stupid is it to hate? (Extremely)

Dogs and cats are related! You hurt a cat and you hurt a large % of the biology of a dog too since they share a common ancestor (see the hyena which is more cat than dog)

Looks at the whiskers on the head and cheeks of a cat and dog, and the whisker holes, look at the paw pads, look at the teeth, look at the lips of the mouth near the nose, they are the same damn animal only slightly modified for a different evolutionary role.

OMG this place is disappointingly dim !

Well, you should read what I wrote in this thread instead of reacting to the title only. (It is intentionally polemical).

Yea sometimes, I hate humans. Sometimes, I like them. But I never excuse their crimes because of their nature. How would that sound: "Yea, I know this guy raped your sister, but it is part of his nature. You can't hate him. It would be vile to hate him. Many humans did rape. It is very likely that some of your ancestors did."?????
I don't know what's wrong about having a love and hate relationship with animals. And time to time hatred has more to do with empathy and responsibility than love. Love can be blind and shallow.

Let's be very clear. Maybe we shouldn't judge wild animals. But domesticated animals are part of our society. As a consequence, by any means, they should respect our morals and laws.

You live in the UK, right? So have a look at the video I'm posting there about Missy.

 

[Gaspard]

Michael Woods: "Well I have a very ambivalent relashionship with cats, I love the way that they move [...] but I just HATE what they do to the wild life."

 

[Mork]

Well, you should read what I wrote in this thread instead of reacting to the title only. (It is intentionally polemical).

Yea sometimes, I hate humans. Sometimes, I like them. But I never excuse their crimes because of their nature. How would that sound: "Yea, I know this guy raped your sister, but it is part of his nature. You can't hate him. It would be vile to hate him. Many humans did rape. It is very likely that some of your ancestors did."?????
I don't know what's wrong about having a love and hate relationship with animals. And time to time hatred has more to do with empathy and responsibility than love. Love can be blind and shallow.

Let's be very clear. Maybe we shouldn't judge wild animals. But domesticated animals are part of our society. As a consequence, by any means, they should respect our morals and laws.

You live in the UK, right? So have a look at the video I'm posting there about Missy.

No you are full of hate/trolling its obvious, just remember dogs and cats share a common ancestor and share alot of the same biology hence the hyena, you hurt a cat and you hurt a large % of the biology of a dog too, you are probably a dog lover, if youre a cat hater, I dont believe your hate filled story about your cat dying of poison, I think you just enjoyed telling us it/writing it, youd probably enjoy doing it too in real life.

You are also showing animals getting killed on a VEGAN website, you enjoy doing that, thats why you are doing it.

 

[Gaspard]

I dont believe your hate filled story about your cat dying of poison, I think you just enjoyed telling us it/writing it, youd probably enjoy doing it too in real life

you are probably a dog lover, if your a cat hater

You're 100% wrong. I'm not a dog lover. I used to prefer cats. And my cat died of poison when I was 11 years old... so, no, this story about my cat was genuine. You don't know me and what you just wrote is very insulting and hateful.
Your intentionnality fallacy is obviously extremly violent. You think you know what my intensions are. But you don't.
I grew up in a farm so your bland relashionship to cats doesn't impress me much.

 

[Gaspard]

You are also showing animals getting killed on a VEGAN website, you enjoy doing that, thats why you are doing it.

This is outrageous. I don't enjoy animals getting killed. I'm a vegan. Your intentionality fallacy is totally unjust.

I used to take part in vegan activism with Anonymous For The Voiceless. And yes we show footages of animals getting killed.
And sure, on vegan forums, websites and documentaries there are animals getting killed. Did you see Land Of Hope And Glory?

Well, in this film, animals are killed, tortured, exploited. And that’s a vegan documentary.

Do you prefer to be blind? As a vegetarian, maybe you need to have a look at how dairy produces are made. Watch Land Of Hope And Glory. The part about cow start at 15:54 mn.

 

[Gaspard]

It's not the fault of the cats, it's the fault of humans that we have allowed such a prolific species to dominate.

That's obvious. And I agree with you that we should do something about it.

 

[silva]

That's obvious. And I agree with you that we should do something about it.

Being in the UK, where it seems to me the preference is to let cats roam the outdoors, would you agree domestic cats should be confined?
Sorry if I missed it if you'd replied that already
Cats are just full of contradictions for vegans

 

[KLS52]

No. My hatred is related to predators that we breed. Some domesticated cats kill up to 50 wild animals every single day. How's that vegan? It is outrageous !

Just a reminder that here most people did show zero empathy with the victims of these cats. Most people didn’t care about my sadness. They just wanted to express that cats have all rights especially the right to needlessly kill the wildlife. Did you see the video where a cat kills a bunny? Yea. A child plays with a bunny and then a cat kills the rabbit. Nice. Is it the so called “cycle of life”? Is it fine because the cat is a predator?

Being vegan is about responsibility and empathy. It's not about having a love and hate relationship with "cute animals".

Yea I created the “cat hater thread”. I especially wanted to p*ss off people who love cute cat pictures without thinking much about them. Most cute cat pictures reinforce the cat market: I'm quite sure many of these images, on our forum, are from breeders. I'd bet 99% of them are not vegan. And many of them hunt and massively kill the wildlife.

You don’t need to be an animal lover to be a vegan. I don’t sell my love to get approval on a forum. And my affection is not about saying superficial commonplaces to get likes. You can be shallow all right. I’m fine with that. But please stop to be so by admiring deadly animals that we bread.

And, just in case, it wasn’t clear: this thread is dedicated to the victims of our cats. A cat killed my lizard friend. I would have appreciated that you passed your condolences to me rather than defending the murderer.

I feel the need to address this post. It’s not that most people have zero empathy for the victims. It breaks my heart to see any living creature being killed, circle of life/nature or not. But the title of the thread alone lets me know this is not the place for me, being an extreme cat lover of all cats, big and small, domesticated, feral, or whatever. I also love lizards, mice, chipmunks, birds...and have no desire to look at pictures/watch videos of them being killed by a cat. So that is the reason you received no “reaction” from me.

I’m deeply saddened when a mouse finds it’s way into my home and the cats get to it before I do. I can often save them but occasionally I get there too late.

Personally, I find this to be a hateful thread and have no desire to follow it. If there were an ignore option, this would be on the list. I’m trying hard to understand where you’re coming from. Maybe your passion for the demise of the victims is making you come across more harsh than you intend. I don’t know. But I don’t appreciate cats being singled out, I suppose, having three of my own whom I love with every fiber of my being.

 

[Mork]

You're 100% wrong. I'm not a dog lover. I used to prefer cats. And my cat died of poison when I was 11 years old... so, no, this story about my cat was genuine. You don't know me and what you just wrote is very insulting and hateful.
Your intentionnality fallacy is obviously extremly violent. You think you know what my intensions are. But you don't.
I grew up in a farm so your bland relashionship to cats doesn't impress me much.

Im glad you

I feel the need to address this post. It’s not that most people have zero empathy for the victims. It breaks my heart to see any living creature being killed, circle of life/nature or not. But the title of the thread alone lets me know this is not the place for me, being an extreme cat lover of all cats, big and small, domesticated, feral, or whatever. I also love lizards, mice, chipmunks, birds...and have no desire to look at pictures/watch videos of them being killed by a cat. So that is the reason you received no “reaction” from me.

I’m deeply saddened when a mouse finds it’s way into my home and the cats get to it before I do. I can often save them but occasionally I get there too late.

Personally, I find this to be a hateful thread and have no desire to follow it. If there were an ignore option, this would be on the list. I’m trying hard to understand where you’re coming from. Maybe your passion for the demise of the victims is making you come across more harsh than you intend. I don’t know. But I don’t appreciate cats being singled out, I suppose, having three of my own whom I love with every fiber of my being.

Most people dont give a damn about any animal that isnt their own, you are rare, its just the way human psychology tends to work, but imo we shd have mutual respect for each others animals because of how bad it feels when someones cruel to yours.

Its worth giving a slight fcuk for others rather than everyone not giving a fcvuk except for their own

Plus dogs and cats are related anyway not many people know that.

 

[Gaspard]

I’m trying hard to understand where you’re coming from. Maybe your passion for the demise of the victims is making you come across more harsh than you intend. I don’t know. But I don’t appreciate cats being singled out, I suppose, having three of my own whom I love with every fiber of my being.

Well, I'm very offended by the cat lovers thread because it is obvious that many images on it could be from breeders. And I’m quite sure most of these cute cats hunt and torture wild animals. These nice pictures reinforce the cat market. Cats are animals. They are not produces that we can consume.

Also, cute pictures of cats have very little to do with true love. They are shallow. I don't like cats pictures being used as porn. This is very offending. The objectification of cats is atrocious.

True love is about seeing the default of the person you love. And it’s also about responsibilities. The desire not to look at the slaughterings that cats are committing on a daily basis has nothing to do with true love. Domesticated cats massively kill the wild life. Maybe you don’t want to see this.

Cats are eradicating endemic species in Australia. But so called cat lovers prefer to be blind. They don’t care and they say: “Kitties rule”. The domination of our preferred species is NOT vegan. Cats do NOT rule in a vegan world. We don’t want them to inflict suffering on other beings.

You may not be happy about that. I started the cat hater thread just after a pussy killed a green European lizard in my yard. . I witnessed four lizards being killed. I may have saved two of them but they were bleeding a lot. I was upset. I was sad. But you, so called “cat lovers” didn’t care about my grief. Most of you didn’t express any compassion for the victim. You just defended the assassin.

I will go on with this thread so this forum is a true vegan forum. We should have an ambivalent relation to cats. If there’s a blue pilled cat lovers thread, there should be a responsible cat “hater” thread. As a result, I think The Cat hater thread has more to do with love and veganism than the cat lover thread.

I'm not sure I answered your question. Did you expect a more personal response? When you wrote "where you're coming from", did you ask about my background and mentality?

 

[Gaspard]

Being in the UK, where it seems to me the preference is to let cats roam the outdoors, would you agree domestic cats should be confined?
Sorry if I missed it if you'd replied that already
Cats are just full of contradictions for vegans

Yea cats are full of contradictions.
I would agree that domesticated cats should be confined. Ideally, in a vegan world there should be confined outdoor places where you could leave your cats for the day.

 

[KLS52]

Well, I'm very offended by the cat lovers thread because it is obvious that many images on it could be from breeders. And I’m quite sure most of these cute cats hunt and torture wild animals. These nice pictures reinforce the cat market. Cats are animals. They are not produces that we can consume.

Also, cute pictures of cats have very little to do with true love. They are shallow. I don't like cats pictures being used as porn. This is very offending. The objectification of cats is atrocious.

True love is about seeing the default of the person you love. And it’s also about responsibilities. The desire not to look at the slaughterings that cats are committing on a daily basis has nothing to do with true love. Domesticated cats massively kill the wild life. Maybe you don’t want to see this.

Cats are eradicating endemic species in Australia. But so called cat lovers prefer to be blind. They don’t care and they say: “Kitties rule”. The domination of our preferred species is NOT vegan. Cats do NOT rule in a vegan world. We don’t want them to inflict suffering on other beings.

You may not be happy about that. I started the cat hater thread just after a pussy killed a green European lizard in my yard. . I witnessed four lizards being killed. I may have saved two of them but they were bleeding a lot. I was upset. I was sad. But you, so called “cat lovers” didn’t care about my grief. Most of you didn’t express any compassion for the victim. You just defended the assassin.

I will go on with this thread so this forum is a true vegan forum. We should have an ambivalent relation to cats. If there’s a blue pilled cat lovers thread, there should be a responsible cat “hater” thread. As a result, I think The Cat hater thread has more to do with love and veganism than the cat lover thread.

I'm not sure I answered your question. Did you expect a more personal response? When you wrote "where you're coming from", did you ask about my background and mentality?

No, I meant where you’re coming from in the sense of trying to understand your point of view. And I’m not advocating shutting down your thread. I just wanted to express my feelings on the subject. I’m quite capable of scrolling by things that don’t interest me.

You have some valid points I’m just not in agreement with the vitriol you spew.