US Guns in the U.S.

Welp, a lot of Americans don't like being treated like eight-year olds. Now I think everyone should wear a seatbelt, they should also brush and floss their teeth, should we have a law there, too? Where does it stop? Nanny state, that is where.
 
Welp, a lot of Americans don't like being treated like eight-year olds. Now I think everyone should wear a seatbelt, they should also brush and floss their teeth, should we have a law there, too? Where does it stop? Nanny state, that is where.

As far as I'm aware, not brushing/flossing doesn't drastically increase death rates... the point of gun laws and seatbelt laws is to help avoid preventable deaths.


Personally, I tend to stay out of US gun control debates, because I don't get it. I know guns were legal in the UK in my lifetime, but I don't remember it - we had one mass shooting at a school, and so banned all guns (with minor exceptions), with overwhelming public support, and it seems like nobody wants to bring them back. So I just don't understand the pro-gun position at all, no matter how much I look into the arguments.
 
This is what some Republicans have difficulty understanding...

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The second amendment to the US Constitution is important to many Americans. Our country was established by a people's revolution against a government it found unjust. Giving the people the power to revolt against our own government if it becomes unbearably unjust is an option many of us want on the table. We do not trust the government to always have our best interests at heart. That is why even things like a ban on so-called assault rifles (they are not) is chipping away at our right to defend ourselves against enemies both foreign and domestic. More types of guns and ammunition bans will likely follow through the opened door.

In addition, many Americans like to defend their own families and homes, since any police anywhere takes time to get to the crime scene. It is rare for home robberies to occur when people are a home here, at least in Florida, because the bad guy knows there could easily be a redneck with a shotgun on the other side of the door.

Personally, we have no guns in our home, but the bad guys don't know that.
 
Welp, a lot of Americans don't like being treated like eight-year olds. Now I think everyone should wear a seatbelt, they should also brush and floss their teeth, should we have a law there, too? Where does it stop? Nanny state, that is where.

Yeah, good point! Also, you know what gets on my nerves? Speed limits. If I was gonna crash into something, I wouldn't be driving a car, now, would I? The government should trust me to be responsible. I mean, sure, some people end up hitting pedestrians or buildings or even other cars, killing themselves and/or others in the process, and that is incredibly tragic. But at the end of the day, we need our freedom. We need to abolish road signs, stoplights, speed limits, paint lines... how much hard-earned taxpayer money does the government waste on maintaining those anyway? This is just logic.

Imagine all the maneuvers you could pull off on a road with no phony government rules! Everyone would get everywhere a lot faster and on time. Accidents are just an unfortunate side-effect. We already have car accidents now, even with "government regulations." Obviously that means government regulations really don't do anything.

Oh, and driver's licenses! What the hell is up with that? Do I need a license to ride a bike? Hell no. Why should this be any different? It's more dangerous? That's just the risk we take living our lives. Why should the government be telling me how to drive my car? The constitution doesn't even mention cars.

End of massive sarcasm. Have I made my point? There are restrictions on the things we do every day for a reason, to prevent dangerous situations. You can argue that we'd be more free without any law. You can take that as far as you want, until it becomes totally absurd, because it already was absurd to begin with, just not as overtly.

Your statement is exaggeration, but even so, I'd happily treat everyone like eight-year-olds if it meant preventing even one more of these horrifying shootings. Any day.
 
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Yeah, good point! Also, you know what gets on my nerves? Speed limits. If I was gonna crash into something, I wouldn't be driving a car, now, would I? The government should trust me to be responsible. I mean, sure, some people end up hitting pedestrians or buildings or even other cars, killing themselves and/or others in the process, and that is incredibly tragic. But at the end of the day, we need our freedom. We need to abolish road signs, stoplights, speed limits, paint lines... how much hard-earned taxpayer money does the government waste on maintaining those anyway? This is just logic.

Imagine all the maneuvers you could pull off on a road with no phony government rules! Everyone would get everywhere a lot faster and on time. Accidents are just an unfortunate side-effect. We already have car accidents now, even with "government regulations." Obviously that means government regulations really don't do anything.

Oh, and driver's licenses! What the hell is up with that? Do I need a license to ride a bike? Hell no. Why should this be any different? It's more dangerous? That's just the risk we take living our lives. Why should the government be telling me how to drive my car? The constitution doesn't even mention cars.

End of massive sarcasm. Have I made my point? There are restrictions on the things we do every day for a reason, to prevent dangerous situations. You can argue that we'd be more free without any law. You can take that as far as you want, until it becomes totally absurd, because it already was absurd to begin with, just not as overtly.

Your statement is exaggeration, but even so, I'd happily treat everyone like eight-year-olds if it meant preventing even one more of these horrifying shootings. Any day.

I know you are being sarcastic, but this is exactly what Libertarians believe. I listened to one whine about DUI laws and how there shouldn't be any. If people want to drive drunk that's their right, and if they get in an accident or kill someone then they can deal with it when it happens. I think there were about 200 'go to hell' and 'haha' type comments on his Gofundme account asking for money to fix his car after his drunk driving accident.

In fact, this is popular meme regarding the lack of traffic regulations:

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I know you are being sarcastic, but this is exactly what Libertarians believe. I listened to one whine about DUI laws and how there shouldn't be any. If people want to drive drunk that's their right, and if they get in an accident or kill someone then they can deal with it when it happens. I think there were about 200 'go to hell' and 'haha' type comments on his Gofundme account asking for money to fix his car after his drunk driving accident.

In fact, this is popular meme regarding the lack of traffic regulations:

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Oh, I know. In fact, this sarcastic rant was partially inspired due to a segment I saw on Samantha Bee's show the other day detailing how out there libertarians can get. :D
 
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I am anti gun, but i kind of think that America has missed the boat when it comes to gun control. For example countries like Australia have strict gun laws which were created early on...

now as a result there are few guns around... but in the US there are guns owned all over the place and trying to stop it now in 2016... too late, the laws should have been made around 1940 or when it could have made a difference.

Now people are extremely attached to them and believe they need them. And America's problem with guns does not stop with the ordinary people...

there is a militarised police force with weapons and tanks even, and a military who regularly perform dangerous drills and exercises on American civilian land... there are many guns all round...weapons corporations which produce all sorts of destructive weapons and build them to be used for profit- the guns are produced for profit too...

the only thing which will stop the guns is if humanity gets their **** together, and not just in America, and decides to do away with all the weaponry at ALL levels and try to run things like adults instead of acting like being in an action movie or diamond heist movie...

stamp out the greet and the violence, the corruption... then there will be a chance to have a free and safe society.
 
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Did you know that New Zealand has the worst domestic violence rate in the world? And probably the worst suicide rate in the world too? Yet we do not have many guns. But there are bad things happening in the world, which make people turn to violent actions.

*Not to say I like guns, I actually hate them. I would be happy if every last weapon of every type was thrown into a volcanic pit.
 
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I am anti gun, but i kind of think that America has missed the boat when it comes to gun control. For example countries like Australia have strict gun laws which were created early on...

now as a result there are few guns around... but in the US there are guns owned all over the place and trying to stop it now in 2016... too late, the laws should have been made around 1940 or when it could have made a difference.

Now people are extremely attached to them and believe they need them. And America's problem with guns does not stop with the ordinary people...

there is a militarised police force with weapons and tanks even, and a military who regularly perform dangerous drills and exercises on American civilian land... there are many guns all round...weapons corporations which produce all sorts of destructive weapons and build them to be used for profit- the guns are produced for profit too...

the only thing which will stop the guns is if humanity gets their **** together, and not just in America, and decides to do away with all the weaponry at ALL levels and try to run things like adults instead of acting like being in an action movie or diamond heist movie...

stamp out the greet and the violence, the corruption... then there will be a chance to have a free and safe society.

I don't think you're wrong. You're definitely making a lot of really apt observations. Yeesh, America must seem horrifying to folks outside of it! I feel inclined to apologize on behalf of my entire messed up country. But I do think this is pessimistic. We need to be trying to pass this legislation for the safety of everyone in the US. Tackling this on an ideological level is important but so is tackling it on a practical level. There is a chance of gun control legislation passing, not by much, but if we really double down on it I think we can do it.

Did you know that New Zealand has the worst domestic violence rate in the world? And probably the worst suicide rate in the world too? Yet we do not have many guns. But there are bad things happening in the world, which make people turn to violent actions.

*Not to say I like guns, I actually hate them. I would be happy if every last weapon of every type was thrown into a volcanic pit.

I'm more saying that gun control would prevent this specific type of violence. Getting rid of guns doesn't destroy violence entirely, I'd never expect it to. Basically - for all the problems you guys might have, I'm guessing you don't have mass shootings, huh?
 
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