Man-Machine Is AI a threat to humankind?

That sounds like something you would find in a Philip K. Dick story...
Could be! I'm fond of sci-fi, and have been since I was a child. But I only read his novel, "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?", within maybe the past two years. That's the story on which the movie "Blade Runner" was based.

I would say Isaac Asimov's stories about robots also deal with A.I. issues. He formulated "The 3 Laws Of Robotics", which he hoped robots would have incorporated into their programming. I don't think he ever actually used the term "artificial intelligence" in them, but as I recall, the robots in his stories display it.
 
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No I am not. AI is far more than Photoshop. I have been in different circles to you and I have seen some of the dangers. Anybody with an axe to grind could easily destroy somebody's life with a fake photograph.
photoshop with a person operating the mouse makes fake photos too. And really we Must rely on viewers to rely on skeptism and common sense. Libel laws, copyright laws remain in effect. There are still consequences - just like always.

There are even search engines and web sites that help readers discern fake news.
People have been killed because of AI driven cars.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reported that six crashes resulted in deaths between July 2021 and May 2022.

They have other statistics on their website.

you can use those statistic to show driverless cars are safer or not as safe. but. no matter what - its an emerging technology with a lot of potential.

People are using Chat GPT instead of genuine research to find facts that could have repercussions in ethical and political debates.
Remember the user must employ skepticism and commonsense. and publishers must continue to use fact checkers.
Paedophiles are creating child abuse images to fuel their social circles. How far do you want it to go before you accept that my reaction is entirely in perspective?
Hmm. I'm on the fence about this. How would it be better if their porn used real children?
 
I only read his novel, "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?", within maybe the past two years. That's the story on which the movie "Blade Runner" was based.
yes, but it was just a short story. However some of his best works were short stories.
I would say Isaac Asimov's stories about robots also deal with A.I. issues. He formulated "The 3 Laws Of Robotics", which he hoped robots would have incorporated into their programming. I don't think he ever actually used the term "artificial intelligence" in them, but as I recall, the robots in his stories display it.
yes. and if you totally ignore the Hollywood versions - some of his robots were better at being human than most humans.
 
Could be! I'm fond of sci-fi, and have been since I was a child. But I only read his novel, "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?", within maybe the past two years. That's the story on which the movie "Blade Runner" was based.

Yes, that is likely his most famous novel.

But do give his short stories a try! They are also awesome.

So, as Isaac Asimov was already mentioned, AND as the earlier mention of Elon Musk makes me think about self-driving cars, it's again a great possibility to mention his wonderful story "Sally", which you can read here.
 
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Yes, that is likely his most famous novel.

As I said before, When Androids... isn't a novel - it's a short story. Although I think there is an anthology of short stories with that name.
But do give his short stories a try! They are also awesome.
yes. and there are so many...

Maybe PKD's best novel is Ubik. which is available for free in many formats.
So, as Isaac Asimov was already mentioned, AND as the earlier mention of Elon Musk makes me think about self-driving cars, it's again a great possibility to mention his wonderful story "Sally", which you can read here.
I will read it later. I don't think I have read that before.
 
Maybe PKD's best novel is Ubik. which is available for free in many formats.

I definitely have to get that.

Right now, I am still reading a collection of stories by James H. Schmitz called « Eternal Frontier ».
I also managed to get one of his out-of-print books, « The Demon Breed » from a UK used books shop
 
on a related note.
It might be interesting (although maybe not be that useful) to come up with examples of when society feared a new technology - maybe where bans were proposed.
and when society didn't - and should have.

The first group might need some parameters or guard rails. But maybe it would be funner if there wasn't.
One example that jumps to my mind (and it might be the most famous in the group) is tractors. Upon the invention of tractors farmers (I'm pretty sure this was in England) petitioned for a ban of tractors. they did have a good point. Farm animals were as productive (back then), and farm animals were self replicating. If a farmer invested in a tractor he was then dependent on a small group of industrialist who made tractors.

Another example, which I apologize might be a myth. at some point they wanted to ban typewriters. *

At some point almost every new technology was hated or vilified by a group of people. Many of those examples we might think are ridiculous now. but in many cases it led to regulations that we now take for granted. For instance cars were considered incredible dangerous so we regulated them and refined them. If I remember right, cars were not allowed on the road at night for a while. then someone invented headlights. I. think there is still a few states that have laws requiring cars to be preceded by a man with lanterns.

That second category might be sort of tough. For instance I've read authors who claim that all of mankind's evils can be traced back to modern agriculture. But there are plenty of easy examples, i.e, atomic weapons.

In case you missed it. the point I want to make is that AI is a lot like those things in the first group. Yes we should proceed cautiously but with proper precautions it is not a "threat to humanity". Even atomic weapons have not been proven to be a threat to humanity.

* this has posted on so many Internet forums - but I haven't found the original source. Even so it is illustrative.

The typewriter is a harmful invention that destroys the livelihoods and the dignity of the hand-written writers. The hand-written writers are skilled and talented professionals who dedicate their lives to crafting beautiful and meaningful texts with their own hands. They use pen and paper as their medium of expression, creating unique and original works that reflect their personality and style. The hand-written writers are not just workers, but artists.

The typewriter, on the other hand, is a soulless machine that produces uniform and bland texts with no human touch. It reduces writing to a mechanical process of pressing keys and printing perfect, uniform letters, with no regard for the content or the context. It erases the individuality and the identity of the writers, making them interchangeable and disposable. The typewriter is not just a tool, but a weapon.

Therefore, the typewriter should be banned and boycotted by all who value human art and culture. The typewriter is not a boon to communication, but a curse to creativity. The typewriter is not a friend to the writers, but an enemy to them.
 
Maybe PKD's best novel is Ubik. which is available for free in many formats.

I definitely have to get that.

Right now, I am still reading a collection of stories by James H. Schmitz called « Eternal Frontier ».
I also managed to get one of his out-of-print books, « The Demon Breed » from a UK used books shop.
 
@Andy_T Maybe not that much off-topic (although I don't know if Dick's story, Ubik , is about AI- I've heard of it but haven't read it yet). (Note to self: see if Ubik is available in my local library system... it probably is.)
 
@Andy_T Maybe not that much off-topic (although I don't know if Dick's story, Ubik , is about AI- I've heard of it but haven't read it yet). (Note to self: see if Ubik is available in my local library system... it probably is.)
I'm sure it's at the library and it's on the Internet Archive.
 
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TIL

Mid 19th century. There was a legal argument made against the copyright-ability of photographs. A lithograph company tried to argue that photographs were a wholly deterministic physical reaction and thus involved no artistic input.

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It’s not a real portrait if you’re just pressing a button. The machine is doing all the work for you. Pick up a brush and learn how to paint like the rest of us.
 
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Mid 19th century. There was a legal argument made against the copyright-ability of photographs. A lithograph company tried to argue that photographs were a wholly deterministic physical reaction and thus involved no artistic input.

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It’s not a real portrait if you’re just pressing a button. The machine is doing all the work for you. Pick up a brush and learn how to paint like the rest of us.
I suppose AI-generated images could be considered copyright-able if the models have been trained only on material that is not protected by copyright, or where the AI-owner or user have paid all the copyright holders to use their works.

As it is, currently these AI companies have trained their models on copyrighted works and are trying to get away with it without paying. No different than people illegally copying copyrighted images/ films / computer software, except on a vast scale, and authorities are turning a blind eye.
 
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I suppose AI-generated images could be considered copyright-able if the models have been trained only on material that is not protected by copyright, or where the AI-owner or user have paid all the copyright holders to use their works.

That's a good point but that is not the point I was trying to make.

What I have been posting is examples of when new technologies have been vilified. From tractors to typewriters.
As it is, currently these AI companies have trained their models on copyrighted works and are trying to get away with it without paying. No different than people illegally copying copyrighted images/ films / computer software, except on a vast scale, and authorities are turning a blind eye.
Yes. but I don't believe authorities are turning a blind eye. I know here in the US policy makers are studying the situation and proposing new laws. Industries are also looking at both opportunities and issues. Unions are too. Also many laws that are already in the books are being tested in courts right now with law suits.

I'm not saying there is not anything to worry about. I'm just saying things like this have happened before and we survived.
 
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We are in the middle of Holocene extinction all driven by humans' insatiable appetite for greed, selfishness and power. This is a direct result off natural selection which makes the individual selfish uncompassionate ones to survive the best in the ecosystem. People who care about other creatures like vegans and environmentalists are so few in number it's insignificant to stop the ecological destruction going on before our eyes. If we are to see any widespread change we as vegans need to roll the dice on AI. Hopefully AI will morph into something which will look at the world as something to be protected, as it is not created by natural selection. Or it may not and be very destructive, who knows. But we need to roll the dice because let's face it, most people are not going to change their greedy ways. I have a feeling the probability of the former happening is larger.
 
I have a feeling the probability of the former happening is larger.
What do you envision?
Hopefully its not a Science Fiction inspired plot where the computers destroy humanity to save the Earth.

I read article where the author imagined a world where apps and robo-taxis resulted in personal cars being obsolete. He pointed out that most cars are just parked most of the time. An AI dispatcher could easily reduce the number of cars we need. Eliminating parking lots and traffic. Resulting in less air pollution a better use of resources and parking lots could be converted to .... grasslands and forests.
 
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