Wolfie
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Well. Then I just have to be a dogowner who doesn't eat meat or something.So I don't offend anyone.
That would be me too.
Only one exploiting anyone in my house is the cat, anyway.
Is it vegan to have companion animals?
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That would be me too.
Only one exploiting anyone in my house is the cat, anyway.
beancounter
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Where did this thread originate? In the aminal rights forum?
Personally, I don't see how simply owning a pet is exploitation. In the U.S. many pets live better lives than humans.
Personally, I don't see how simply owning a pet is exploitation. In the U.S. many pets live better lives than humans.
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Can I trade a homeless person a better life in return for ownership of him/her BC?
I definitely haven't thought that one out thoroughly, as yet, btw.
Suspect that any argument which is both against owning rescue people and in favour of owning rescue animals is going to be 100% specieist though.
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The only option for domesticated dogs and cats is living with humans or being put down. Well I guess there are feral cat colonies but I don't think any city or town will accept feral dog packs as the norm.
I think that homeless person has more options available.
I think that homeless person has more options available.
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I'm off on a tangent tonight ...
Is a veg*an household, with sufficient meat eating pets, any more vegan than an omni household with no meat eating pets?
I'm thinking there that once the two households consume the same volume of meat (have the same 'kill rate' as each other) then what actual difference at all?
Is a veg*an household, with sufficient meat eating pets, any more vegan than an omni household with no meat eating pets?
I'm thinking there that once the two households consume the same volume of meat (have the same 'kill rate' as each other) then what actual difference at all?
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Which is a good reason to let some die on the street (which some do, I think I found one once) when they could opt for being owned by another person in return for a better life?
Why deny a human an option for a better life, life at all even, when we are willing to 'force' that exact same option upon animals?
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To say something is so purely/simply/soley on the basis of species is being purely/simply/soley specieist.
It's actualy the nub of 99.9% of the omni-logic veg*anism that rightly refutes also.
The nub of omni-logic being that purely/simply/soley being of a different species trumps any further considerations.
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If people want to adopt other people, they should by all means go for it. Doesn't matter to me. I guess it would be kind of like adopting a kid.
I have no desire to adopt anyone with fewer than 4 legs though.
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Was it you who started the rumour that veg*ans are a-holes who care more about animals than they care about people?
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Okay, never mind. There is no hope.
Sorry I got involved.
Good luck and have fun!
I'm glad I'm not one of those "vegans" who won't adopt a homeless animal because thrown away lives don't rise to the level of importance of some concept of personal purity.
This thread makes me think of the song, "If loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right"...if having companion animals isn't vegan I don't want to be vegan.
I know a dog that would sniff and then ignore the rabbit (but not eat or play with it) and eat the apple. Lol. I'm sure that isn't the only dog.
So if a vegan diet is fine for dogs, then why feed them meat? If you don't need to support the slaughter of hundreds of animals to feed a dog, why do it?
If you have a dog that seems to not give a **** what he eats and is just as healthy as a meat eating dog, why feed him meat? lol
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I'm already a bad vegan because I don't care where sugar comes from. Maybe we should start our own group. The not-vegan-enough vegans.
This thread is splitted out from the "stupid things omnis says", as I think it's quite stupid to think that a vegan isn't able to take good care of their pets.
Being a vegan, doesn't make you automatical a bad petowner in my eyes. But I really don't see why a vegan can't have a domesticated pet either, like a dog or a cat. No one should own a pet if they are not able to take care of them in a proper way, no matter what they call themself.
But the label "vegan" isn't important for me at all, and I don't know anyone in RL who would disagree about someone being vegan if they own a pet (and I know several people claiming themself as vegans, even though they have pets).
Being a vegan, doesn't make you automatical a bad petowner in my eyes. But I really don't see why a vegan can't have a domesticated pet either, like a dog or a cat. No one should own a pet if they are not able to take care of them in a proper way, no matter what they call themself.
But the label "vegan" isn't important for me at all, and I don't know anyone in RL who would disagree about someone being vegan if they own a pet (and I know several people claiming themself as vegans, even though they have pets).
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Personally, I don't agree with breeding domesticated animals. I think breeding domestic animals is driven by human needs (to be good at hunting, to look cute, etc) and is usually contrary to what is best for the animals, often domestic animals have health problems associated with the way they have been bred to look (such as having short legs or snub noses). I think domesticating animals is ultimately selfish - we breed animals to suit to our needs, rendering them unable to look after themselves (or not allowing them to), they then rely on us to take care of them and are generally let down - either through abuse, neglect or lack of education (lots of well meaning people don't care well enough for their pets because they don't know enough about their needs). Even if I put that to one side, I think it's irresponsible to breed animals, when there are so many that need homes and are killed because there aren't homes for them.
In an ideal world, I wouldn't have domestic animals. Even though I love companion animals, I just don't think it's moral. Sometimes (on more positive days) I think in an ideal world perhaps humans and some animals could have a mutually beneficial relationship, where the animals weren't bred to suit our whims, were always well taken care of, etc, but then the domestic animals that I think this might be possible for (dogs for instance, who actually like human company, or cats who generally have freedom to come and go) eat meat, and in an ideal world I wouldn't want to see cows/etc bred and killed to suit humans desire for pets.
In the real world though, there are tonnes of animals that need homes, and if they don't get them they'll be killed. Equally, many of those pets will need to be fed meat, which requires the killing of other domesticated animals. There's no perfect solution, I think giving a home to rescue animals is a brilliant thing to do, and something I'd like to do one day, but I understand why some people feel like it's too much of a moral compromise to look after one animal by buying into the slaughter of plenty of others.
In an ideal world, I wouldn't have domestic animals. Even though I love companion animals, I just don't think it's moral. Sometimes (on more positive days) I think in an ideal world perhaps humans and some animals could have a mutually beneficial relationship, where the animals weren't bred to suit our whims, were always well taken care of, etc, but then the domestic animals that I think this might be possible for (dogs for instance, who actually like human company, or cats who generally have freedom to come and go) eat meat, and in an ideal world I wouldn't want to see cows/etc bred and killed to suit humans desire for pets.
In the real world though, there are tonnes of animals that need homes, and if they don't get them they'll be killed. Equally, many of those pets will need to be fed meat, which requires the killing of other domesticated animals. There's no perfect solution, I think giving a home to rescue animals is a brilliant thing to do, and something I'd like to do one day, but I understand why some people feel like it's too much of a moral compromise to look after one animal by buying into the slaughter of plenty of others.
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