Liberal/Conservative Divide

[Second Summer]

I don’t understand socialists who vote for Biden. He has been a corrupt corporate tool for decades! Are all those denunciations of the 1% just empty words to fool the gullible?

How Joe Biden helped build a financial system that’s great for Delaware banks and terrible for the rest of us

"Biden’s banking votes have stuck with him because their effects have stuck with us."

www.motherjones.com

They're not as much voting for Biden as they're voting against Trump. I'm sure you're aware of the challenges faced by voters in the US two-party system.

 

[Lou]

I’m hearing a lot of Democrats who are liberal, by US definition, say they don’t like Biden because he isn’t liberal enough, that he is Republican in Democrat clothing. But that makes me happy because they will vote for him regardless and it’s making some Republicans turn on Trump and vote for Biden...I’d rather have four years of an imperfect Biden then four more years of Trump.
if I’m to be completely honest, Trump winning will not affect me much at all but I’m trying to look at the big picture and not just think about myself. I have family and grandchildren and I want a better world for them when I’m gone.

I'm one of those. I'm a liberal, but way more to the left than the democratic party. Progressive. Bernie Bro.

Voting for Trump is not even an option. Not voting is not an option (cut off your nose...). Throwing away my vote on someone who can't win is not a good idea. So I'm left with Biden.

Biden sort of promised to not seek re-election. So 4 years of Biden won't be so bad. There is a lot of repair work to do and he can get started on that.

Trump and the pandemic put a spotlight on many of the things that are wrong that need to be fixed. And it will be more work than just one administration. If the house, senate, and white house are all Democratic we can at least get it started and pointed in the right direction.

 

[Pythagoras]

They're not as much voting for Biden as they're voting against Trump. I'm sure you're aware of the challenges faced by voters in the US two-party system.

Biden and Harris serve the billionaires as eagerly as the Republicans.

Silicon Valley pours money into Biden’s campaign — and snubs Trump’s

Biden is sweeping up cash from billionaires, CEOs, and political kingmakers in a show of force.

www.vox.com

Kamala Harris is the choice Joe Biden needed to win over Silicon Valley

Don’t let the corporate media trick you.

 

[silva]

Biden and Harris serve the billionaires as eagerly as the Republicans.

Silicon Valley pours money into Biden’s campaign — and snubs Trump’s

Biden is sweeping up cash from billionaires, CEOs, and political kingmakers in a show of force.

www.vox.com

Kamala Harris is the choice Joe Biden needed to win over Silicon Valley

Don’t let the corporate media trick you.

.......and so.......
We have now to deal with.
My house is voting for Biden with eyes wide open--or voting against rump....whatever

 

[KLS52]

My head is spinning after trying to read and make sense of Biden’s tax plan. I’m just not cut out for this. All along I kept hearing that anyone making less than $400,000/year will not face any tax increase. But someone posted on a local FB page that, that won’t be true when all is said and done. Not that I would change my mind but it could sway some undecideds. And it certainly is cause to make trump supporters dig their heels in even more. I just wish I had more ability to read and understand how these things work.

 

[Lou]

Biden and Harris serve the billionaires as eagerly as the Republicans.

Don’t let the corporate media trick you.

Pythagoras, I love your screen name. Now find a good avatar. Perhaps a triangle?


I'm not a huge fan of Biden/Harris but.... we are talking lesser evil here.
And it's not like cholera vs the bubonic plague.
It's like .... (oh how fitting).... the seasonal flu vs the Coronavirus.

I live in Silicon Valley. It's pretty terrific here. In general, blue states are better places to live than red states. It's a shame we are so underrepresented in the Senate. I think the population of 17 states combined just about equals our population. But we have almost fair representation in the house. And for the most part, our reps are great.

And we have money. It was a conservative court that allowed Corporations the right to free speech. It's not silicon valley's fault if they then exercise that right.

In California, we have turned the corner on the Coronavirus. Not like Trump's rural red states who are breaking records every day in new cases.

California has the fifth biggest economy in the world. Has one of the highest income per capita, one of the highest minimum wages, and better regulation of pollution than any state.

In fact, in almost every metric, blue states out perform red states. so yes I'll be voting for Democrats this election.

8 Economic Indicators — Are Red or Blue States Better?

In comparing the quality of life between Red vs Blue states, I’ll be grouping all 23 indicators into 4 main categories: 4 Crimes Indicators, 4 Social Indicators, 7 Health Indicators 8 Economi…

appliedsentience.com

 

[Lou]

My head is spinning after trying to read and make sense of Biden’s tax plan. I’m just not cut out for this. All along I kept hearing that anyone making less than $400,000/year will not face any tax increase. But someone posted on a local FB page that, that won’t be true when all is said and done. Not that I would change my mind but it could sway some undecideds. And it certainly is cause to make trump supporters dig their heels in even more. I just wish I had more ability to read and understand how these things work.

And how expert was this guy on FaceBook?

​

KEY TAKEAWAYS​

• The top individual federal income tax rate would rise from 37% to the pre-Trump rate of 39.6%.​
• The corporate rate would rise from 21% to 28%; a 15% alternative minimum tax would apply to corporate book income of $100 million and higher.​
• Individuals earning $400,000 or more would pay additional payroll taxes.​
• The maximum Child and Dependent Tax Credit would rise from $3,000 to $8,000 ($16,000 for more than one dependent).​
• Tax relief would be offered for student debt forgiveness and the first-time homebuyers credit would be restored.​
• The estate tax exemption would drop by about​

​

Biden’s Tax Plan: What’s Enacted, What’s Proposed

Here’s how the Biden administration’s recently enacted tax law changes—and new corporate and individual tax proposals—do (or could) affect taxpayers.

www.investopedia.com

 

[KLS52]

And how expert was this guy on FaceBook?

​

KEY TAKEAWAYS​

• The top individual federal income tax rate would rise from 37% to the pre-Trump rate of 39.6%.​
• The corporate rate would rise from 21% to 28%; a 15% alternative minimum tax would apply to corporate book income of $100 million and higher.​
• Individuals earning $400,000 or more would pay additional payroll taxes.​
• The maximum Child and Dependent Tax Credit would rise from $3,000 to $8,000 ($16,000 for more than one dependent).​
• Tax relief would be offered for student debt forgiveness and the first-time homebuyers credit would be restored.​
• The estate tax exemption would drop by about​

​

Biden’s Tax Plan: What’s Enacted, What’s Proposed

Here’s how the Biden administration’s recently enacted tax law changes—and new corporate and individual tax proposals—do (or could) affect taxpayers.

www.investopedia.com

Not an expert. But he referenced pages of the tax plan that is supposedly on the Biden/Harris website but I can’t find anything on the site that is over 60 pages long. I can only find bullets like you posted.
Here’s the post:


Biden fans, pay attention:

I would strongly recommend that voters go to the Biden/Harris website and read their tax plan....

Does everybody realize that if you read the Biden tax plan. Go to pages in the 40s 50s and 60s and you will find that he has a plan to tax you on your house at 3% of its value this is above and beyond your property taxes you pay now.
Plus families making $50k or more, your taxes will go up $7,800 over a 10 year period. Plus the loss of $750 a year from the repealing of the Trump middle class tax cuts.
They also want to tax your 401(k) IRA’s. Do people realize that until 1983 you paid no taxes on Social Security but Biden put up the bill and sponsored it to tax Social Security at 50% and then raised it to 80%. A man of the people. Is this what you want to happen. Really.
Nobody is reading his plan.

 

[Lou]

Not an expert. But he referenced pages of the tax plan that is supposedly on the Biden/Harris website but I can’t find anything on the site that is over 60 pages long. I can only find bullets like you posted.
Here’s the post:


Biden fans, pay attention:

I would strongly recommend that voters go to the Biden/Harris website and read their tax plan....

Does everybody realize that if you read the Biden tax plan. Go to pages in the 40s 50s and 60s and you will find that he has a plan to tax you on your house at 3% of its value this is above and beyond your property taxes you pay now.
Plus families making $50k or more, your taxes will go up $7,800 over a 10 year period. Plus the loss of $750 a year from the repealing of the Trump middle class tax cuts.
They also want to tax your 401(k) IRA’s. Do people realize that until 1983 you paid no taxes on Social Security but Biden put up the bill and sponsored it to tax Social Security at 50% and then raised it to 80%. A man of the people. Is this what you want to happen. Really.
Nobody is reading his plan.

I googled some of those claims and could not find references to them. TBH i may have found some in a WSJ article but the WSJ is behind a paywall.

if you are up to it, I would challenge him to provide specific quotes. Page 40 to 70 is not a reference. But for now I suspect most of that is false or misleading.

The best I could do is the stuff in the article I cited above.
and this one

Does Biden’s tax plan really call for 40% tax on house sale profits? Not true

Tax experts familiar with Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s tax proposal say the widely shared post is inaccurate for two reasons.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[KLS52]

Yeah WSJ is annoying with that.

 

[Pythagoras]

Pythagoras, I love your screen name. Now find a good avatar. Perhaps a triangle?


I'm not a huge fan of Biden/Harris but.... we are talking lesser evil here.
And it's not like cholera vs the bubonic plague.
It's like .... (oh how fitting).... the seasonal flu vs the Coronavirus.

I live in Silicon Valley. It's pretty terrific here. In general, blue states are better places to live than red states. It's a shame we are so underrepresented in the Senate. I think the population of 17 states combined just about equals our population. But we have almost fair representation in the house. And for the most part, our reps are great.

And we have money. It was a conservative court that allowed Corporations the right to free speech. It's not silicon valley's fault if they then exercise that right.

In California, we have turned the corner on the Coronavirus. Not like Trump's rural red states who are breaking records every day in new cases.

California has the fifth biggest economy in the world. Has one of the highest income per capita, one of the highest minimum wages, and better regulation of pollution than any state.

In fact, in almost every metric, blue states out perform red states. so yes I'll be voting for Democrats this election.

8 Economic Indicators — Are Red or Blue States Better?

In comparing the quality of life between Red vs Blue states, I’ll be grouping all 23 indicators into 4 main categories: 4 Crimes Indicators, 4 Social Indicators, 7 Health Indicators 8 Economi…

appliedsentience.com

It’s not the fault of Silicon Valley’s billionaires that they are trying to control the government?? Lol

Solidly Democrat states like NY and NJ were worst hit by the virus. Cuomo and DeBlasio and some other Democrats did a terrible job.

Maybe California has a few problems: HuffPost is now a part of Verizon Media

 

[Lou]

Keep in mind that states like NJ, NY, CA, and WA were hit hard because they were hit early. Other states had more warnings and lead time. And now we are doing much better compared to the some red states

Tracking the coronavirus around the U.S.: See how your state is doing

View NPR's graphics to see where COVID is hitting hardest in the U.S., which state outbreaks are under control and where cases are still spreading.

www.npr.org

 

[Pythagoras]

Keep in mind that states like NJ, NY, CA, and WA were hit hard because they were hit early. Other states had more warnings and lead time. And now we are doing much better compared to the some red states

Tracking the coronavirus around the U.S.: See how your state is doing

View NPR's graphics to see where COVID is hitting hardest in the U.S., which state outbreaks are under control and where cases are still spreading.

www.npr.org

Many of what I’ll call the internationally-oriented states were hit simultaneously. It was the blunders of de Blasio and Cuomo that caused the NY disaster.

Don't let Cuomo hide from his coronavirus nursing-home disaster

Andrew Cuomo doesn't want an independent investigation into his coronavirus response. That's exactly why we need one.

www.google.com

And about the California paradise: California continues to have the highest poverty level in the nation