Animals are not being killed to make pet food. There may the rare exception, but for the most part, it's made using parts that humans don't eat, and would be thrown away otherwise. If everyone went vegan and animals were no longer being slaughtered, I could see feeding carnivores as vegan, as then it would be a matter of killing one animal for another. But, that isn't case presently, they are eating what would have been thrown away.
You aren't saving animals by forcing an unhealthy and unnatural diet on cats, those animals will be slaughtered until people stop eating them, but it sure does give you a feeling of superiority doesn't it?
actually totally wrong on all 3 points you make...
1. You state...animals are not killed for pet foods.
Well actually they are. Dead animals do not grow on trees.
BILLIONS of animals ARE being killed ONLY for pet food in fact. Bred for pet foods. Fact. I could name many...but name just ONE as evidence ...because you have no evidence of what you claim...but i have evidence of the truth...about not just rabbits...turkeys...lambs...chickens....
It has even been calculated i add. At 30% of all meat and 10% of eggs and dairy milks.
Now as 80 billion land animals and 2 trillion fish and marine animals are bred and killed for food consumption per year in the world...30 percent of those makes trillions of animals in fact killed for pet food....of the animals bred primarily for human food...and billions actually also specifically only for pet food. FACT..the 1 species the most in numbers specificially only for pet food is ? RABBITS. fact.
BURNS is a high quality allegedly pet food producer...HUGE in the UK ...and they breed their own animals for the pet foods they make and buy them in from slaughter houses. FACT supported on their own public website. FACT and we are talking MILLIONS of animals for just that 1 pet food producer...but they are not unique as i said. So that actually is the END of pretending "free animal meat falls from the sky for pet food" fantasy.
However....take this much simpler FACT too.
It really HAS been proven...that PET FOOD uses 30 percent of ALL "meat" produced for the food industry.
That is irrefutable...so do you belive 30% of the animals are FREEBIES ? wrong. They COST and earn bigtime. 80 BILLION USD is the global pet food per year income. They pay for the animals in the pet foods of course so they cause their deaths massively...if humans...had to pay the 100% not 70% cost of the "meat" and animals they buy 30 percent less animals would die. Simple logic. Easy to understand. Pet foods...make more animals die by that percentage price difference.
Simple facts...I and you drink milk..example...a glass a day. How many cows have we killed ? at least 1 of course it is not about does all the milk from 1 cow go into that glass of milk...the cow has to be abused and ultimately killed for our use of her milk.
So the same for pet foods. If parts of the animal go into pet food...for which pet food industry PAYS i remind you they are not FREEBIES...that kills animals. It is the payment that contributes to the death of an animal in the case of the glass of milk or the pet food.
Next easy to understand issue of yes death is paid for by the pet food meat sellers....20 percent of animals die of suffering and disease before even slaughtered....they are SOLD to the pet food industry....so the animals ARE paid for and killed their deaths are PROFITABLE and it encourages low standards of short livescare to know they can be SOLD anyway for big bucks.
If pet foods did not buy those suffered the most animals...better care would be taken of them and less animals would die for human food obviously.
30 percent...of animals bred and slaughtered...end up in pet foods. FACT i repeat. Easy to assess and i have elsewhere provided the link to the scientific support of that percentage...oh btw...10 percent of eggs and milk produced also end up in pet foods....SOLD...so let us not pretend..money does not matter...you buy a glass of milk ? you contribute to the DEATHS of cows in dairy...whether you are a PET or a HUMAN.
The industry figure for non human food used parts of animals can be up to 49 percent in reality...figures of the slaughter industry themselves i add. Not all those non human food parts end up in pet foods of course...i provided the figure of 30 percent of meat sold ending up in pet foods...and that is not just the bad bits but much of the human grade bits as i remind or inform you that anything labelled "meat" in the UK has to be non diseased and human grade...only the bits labelled "meal" can be ground up nasty bits of bones etc with some "meat" in them of unspecified species often so RABBITS in reality as the cheapest animals to breed and kill for pet foods and shove in any pet foods where the species does not need to be stated due to pet food labelling laws.
How many people have killed the cow ? if I buy 70% of the cow best bits and you buy 30 % of the cow worst bits ? who has killed the cow ? both of us or just the one buying the best bits ? all is SOLD for money and so both have killed the cow is the truth.
It is nonsense to say...because pet food buyers buy the 30 percent of the animal that they have not caused the death of the animal...they have. Without the death of that animal the producer of the animal would make a loss and not produce the animal or put the price up so much that the buyer of the other half would reduce their consumption by that amount so less animals would die.
If you pay for something...you contribute to the effects that payment has is a simple fact of life in all matters....pet food is no exception.
Not even...the alleged "freebies" local butchers offer pet owners are free and they do contribute also to animals deaths...why ? because if the butcher had to dispose legally correctly of the rotting corpses...for which there are environmental and health and safety laws...it would COST them...so all that adds to their "profits" on sales of dead animals and keeps the prices of the human dead animal parts lower than normal...so more animals die as people would not buy as many dead animals if they cost them more.
So hopefullly...it is clear to see...billions of animals actually die for pet food...30 percent of the deaths of the total involved for the food market is the figure i repeat for "meat" and 10% for eggs and dairy.
Actually let us try look at the figures involved about pet food that causes the deaths of 6 billion per year...yes that is the figure...6 billion per day suffocated to death 1 day old male chicks....as 50% of eggs hatched from artificial insemination of course...(nothing "natural" about that hey so why is anyone using "unnaturally produced pet food" ? pass a moment the fake appeal to "natural" issue...to say...) if anyone does not believe that the income from pet food producers buying up the 6 billion 1 day old male chicks suffocated to death does not mean they died for PET FOOD wake up...the cost of disposal legally environmentally and health and safety wise as well as the loss of huge income from the pet food producers buying them would mean the price of eggs would rocket...so again...price rises would mean far far less eggs sold and far far less chickens abused and killed. so animals die...bigtime...again...not "by products for free" but massive causes of deaths to billions of animals.
Very simple facts easy to understand...besides the truth that hundreds of millions of rabbits turkeys chickens lambs are bred specifically for pet foods.
End of fantasy..that pet foods with animals do not cause animals deaths...they do...those are DEAD ANIMALS in the pet foods fgs they did not grow on trees or get given free so the money is what caused them to die.
Now the part of your reply that is actually factually incorrect that i objected to the most was ? this statement you made...judgemental mocking of the dead animals and vegans statement...
"You aren't saving animals by forcing an unhealthy and unnatural diet on cats, those animals will be slaughtered until people stop eating them, but it sure does give you a feeling of superiority doesn't it?
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2. you are wrong about vegan pet food being unhealthy...you cannot make blanket statements like that without evidence...i have evidence i could provide in GREAT detail of how unhealthy non vegan pet food is...and how healthy vegan pet food is...and i just give 2 examples as i am into DETAIL not wild unsubstantiated allegations and claims as you just did...
firstly...
my vegan cat food is...HUMAN GRADE...
gmo free...which just for starters puts it above the quality of any other non human grade diseased contents non vegan pet food.
secondly....the
non vegan cat food is full of unnatural ingredients...the levels of omegas and fats in farmed animals are wildly different to wild animals and very unhealthy without human adjustments made unnaturally of course to make the nutrients more healthily balanced...taurine...in cat foods...is all synthetic so not natural...without which cats would go blind and die even...so without "unnatural" contents in non vegan cat foods cats would go blind and die so end of use of the "only use natural" ingredients nonsense claim. Not possible. Unhealthy if people did is the real truth.
thirdly and very importantly...
Besides the main problem with your statements not having any quantified or references to support the claims...you did not seem aware of PET FOOD LABELLING LAWs...well i assure you...if you need to know...
vegan pet foods exceed the long lists and criteria generally of the pet food laws and have contrary to raw pet foods never had a single recall anywhere in the world whereas 5 out of 7 in 2020 alone to date recalls of pet foods have been RAW pet foods.
3. Now to your judgemental mocking of people who like to save animals lives by feeding vegan pet foods...besides their reasons like mine being it is more healthy for my pets....you have no right...to mock people like me who decide to feed our animals whatever we feed them...it is none of your business...what you feed your cat is your business and unless you ask me...i do not tell you that you are murderous to kill 3000 bred and killed bunny rabbits over 1 cat lifetime to feed your cat...so equally...my cat is my business...and
any vegan who wishes to feed their cats vegan does not deserve to have someone like you make fun of them for as you nastily say... "it sure does give you a feeling of superiority doesn't it?"
You asked a question..mocking in tone by that statement ending in "doesn't it ?" and so I reply...for myself...and other vegans...
Why are you mocking people for allegedly feeling "superior" to others ? why ? angry that vegans do not kill animals and so feel they are morally better than others who do ? no one in this thread actually wrote that...i never wrote..."i am morally superior to you non vegans because I do not kill animals bred by humans" ...just as I did not write..."I am jewish so i feel morally superior to non jews" ....no one wrote that...but you...lash out...with mockery about this alleged feeling of superiority...obviously you are angered disturbed by the feeling you have that it is morally superior to not kill animals and so you resent others having that feeling...
That is in effect what that snide lash out mockery statement you made shows...that YOU feel it is morally superior to not kill animals...but resent people who feel that way even if they do not go around saying it as you did.
That is actually i end saying...the REAL reason "people hate vegans" ...people are disturbed by the "cognitive dissonance" that even the word VEGAN creates or anyone saying..."I do not kill animals and eat them or give them to my pets to eat" it disturbs people who do those things even without the vegans saying anything critical to them about them...because their conscience is not clear.
So i suggest...stop lashing out accusations about vegans feeling morally superior...unless you see those boasts made in those words...you have no right to lash out and mock them...it is rude and unnecessary.
So...i have dealt with...your incorrect unsubstantiated statements about ...
no animals die when there is animal meat in pet foods...they do...in their billions...30% is the figure for "meat" alone ...
then...your unsubstantiated claim that the vegan pet foods are unhealthy...they have been proven to be healthy and never recalled in over 30 years sold unlike non vegan pet foods full of below human grade and diseased animals etc...and
then the nonsense about non vegan cat foods being "natural is dismissed using just one of the facts disproving this ...the fact that unnatural taurine etc in non vegan pet foods are included and are vegan and essential to the life even of pet cats so dismissing the problem you have with the word "unnatural" as an accusation on at least one count, nutrition...and
then lastly but not least...i replied to your question ...about your personal gripe with vegans being morally superior in your view...which I found offensive in the way you put the question in a mocking way...it also showed...that you actually do realise that it is not necessary to feed pet cats or dogs bred and killed by humans animals in their pet food...but resent that this makes people like me feel better about keeping a pet and not being the cause of animal deaths, even though neither I nor anyone else had actually boasted about this or accused you or anyone else of murdering animals in their thousands unnecessarily just to feed 1 preferred pet animal.
As you may simply have been ignorant of the facts I mentioned in my replies...I provide 6 links now to previous posts where the information supporting my claims can be found in more details.
I am very "detail" and just tried here to keep it brief...even these links are also attempts at brevity...but ...for sure...i do NOT simply do "grunts" of "carnivore" or "unnatural" or "morally superior" without providing evidence to support those claims.
Taxonomy...classifications of animals into diet related classes the evolution and differences between diets in the wild and captivity This post...is my attempt...first attempt actually...to help people understand what certain as I call them "grunt words" mean in context of where they come from...
www.veganforum.org
None so blind as those who do not wish to see.... After DAYS of providing explanations and links to supporting information...I got yet again..."bunny boiler" people wanting to breed and kill bunny rabbits to feed pet cats comments... ... that were not even CAT but DOG food related in the...
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If our dogs and cats constituted their own country, they'd rank fifth in global meat consumption, behind only Russia, Brazil, China, and the United States. https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/503376/all-meat-pet-food-has-big-environmental-impact There’s no doubt that our furry friends are...
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List of the World Wide Vegan Proven Pet Foods for Cats Dogs Ferrets. Vegan pet foods have been around for over 30 years (now in 2019) and never had any recalls ever of any of them. They sure would have had if there had been any reported cases linked to their diets. There have not been. The...
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http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Dogs_and_Cats.html Nutrition...is simply about Nutrition ! Protein, Fats, vitamins, Minerals etc ! Welcome to Vegan Information! Vegan, Dogs, Cats, Pets, Veganism, Nutrition, Food "nutrients, not ingredients is what really matters" Dr Andrew Keith quote. For...
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Vegan Cats. Examples of living healthy thriving VEGAN FED CATS in the slideshow ! Healthy Vegan fed cats have lived to the long age of 20 years old. Those 2 in the picture that includes the Ginger cat with a Blackie cat eating with relish their UK Vegan catfood figured recently in 2018 on BBC...
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LAST but not LEAST....in replying to that comment of yours...nothing in the comments you made related directly to the real or main issue of the media story....
What do I mean ?
The media article...was NOT about "should cats be fed vegan or not ?" that question was not stated ... but making fun of a woman who was vegan whose boyfriend split up with her...allegedly ... due to her not tolerating his cat fed bred by humans animals.
The way the media cleverly presented the "alleged facts" since no quotes from the couple concerned were provided...was implying the woman was saying "get rid of" the cat or our relationship is off.
So it was funny in the sense that people can see when someone decides to say ..."it is me or x y or z" this leads to conflicts and relationship issues...it could as well have been "give up football or our relationship is off" challenge.
So one can have a laugh at that kind of "it's me or..." type discussion or issue in relationships.
Vegan bashing however...is what the media article wanted everyone to do...presenting cleverly the alleged facts to show an image of an unreasonable person regarding the vegan.
Which is EXACTLY what the general media love to do is it not ? that is btw a rhetorical question...we all know the answer to that is YES the media love to "vegan bash" and make out vegans are very unreasonable people...it is part of ? justifying killing and eating animals or simply easing consciences about the cognitive dissonance people have mentally when saying or thinking they love animals but kill them.
