News Obituaries

[Mischief]

Do you mean women like Nancy Sinatra and Christy Brinkley, who both appeared in Playboy and praised him after his death?

Ted Bundy had fangirls. So does Charles Manson. IOW, why do you think it's meaningful that some individuals like someone who is awful by any objective standards?!

 

[Joe]

Ted Bundy had fangirls. So does Charles Manson. IOW, why do you think it's meaningful that some individuals like someone who is awful by any objective standards?!

I do not agree with your "awful by any objective standards" remark. That may be your opinion, but it is just that--an opinion.

Ted Bundy and Charles Manson had real victims. In contrast, Hefner is just "accused" of victimizing and "objectifying" women. As for dismissing the views of the numerous prominent people who have praised Hefner, that may speak more to your intolerance for people who disagree with you than with an "objective" assessment of Hefner.

 

[Mischief]

I do not agree with your "awful by any objective standards" remark. That may be your opinion, but it is just that--an opinion.

Ted Bundy and Charles Manson had real victims. In contrast, Hefner is just "accused" of victimizing and "objectifying" women. As for dismissing the views of the numerous prominent people who have praised Hefner, that may speak more to your intolerance for people who disagree with you than with an "objective" assessment of Hefner.

Instead of continuing to derail this thread, why don't you start a new one, You can explain your respect for Hefner, and those who disagree with your assessment can voice their positions.

I for one would be happy to describe why Hefner had "real victims" too.

 

[MadamSarcastra]

So the obituary thread becomes a place to debate?? Sorry, but in my opinion, that just ain't right, regardless of how you feel about the deceased.

We will all die one day... and what will others say about us? And where will they say it?

Today's been a rough one.... please... don't argue here.

 

[Mischief]

So the obituary thread becomes a place to debate?? Sorry, but in my opinion, that just ain't right, regardless of how you feel about the deceased.

We will all die one day... and what will others say about us?

Today's been a rough one.... please... don't argue here.

I'm sorry. I should have suggested that the discussion be moved to its own thread in my first response to Joe.

This is not the first time, though, that news of someone's death has been met with other than praise for the dead. I think the adage "Don't speak ill of the dead" arose because of a certain sense of fairness, since the dead can't defend themselves. But we are constantly speaking about people who aren't here to defend themselves. I don't think anyone becomes more noble simply by virtue of being dead.

Also, in fairness, this thread is in the Debates forum.

 

[Mischief]

"I Won't Back Down" - that song has given me comfort during some dark days. Thank you, Tom Petty.

 

[MadamSarcastra]

Teri Gross' 2006 interview with Tom Petty... read or listen....

 

[Mischief]

Roy Doltrice

Roy Dotrice obituary

He narrated all of the A Song of Fire and Ice audiobooks to date, and brought those characters to vivid life.

 

[PTree15]

Gord Downie, 53, frontman for The Tragically Hip. I love this band. This guy wrote some great lyrics. Sadly, I never got to see them live.

Gord Downie, Canada's everyman rock poet, dead at 53

 

[MadamSarcastra]

Fats Domino, Architect Of Rock And Roll, Dead At 89

 

[Amy SF]

Robert Guillaume, Emmy-Winning Star of ‘Benson,’ Dies at 89

 

[Amy SF]

Fats Domino, Architect Of Rock And Roll, Dead At 89

 

[Amy SF]

Robert Guillaume, Emmy-Winning Star of ‘Benson,’ Dies at 89

 

[Mischief]

One of the truly unmistakable voices, one that always made me feel better just by virtue of hearing it. Thank you, Mr. Domino.

 

[MadamSarcastra]

John Mollo, 'Star Wars' Costume Designer, Dead At 86 | HuffPost

 

[Val]

Today a famous writer Mikhail Zadornov has died. He was doing standup and i liked him very much.

 

[MadamSarcastra]

Remembering Uwe Reinhardt: prolific health policy expert, gracious mentor

 

[MadamSarcastra]

Malcolm Young, AC/DC Guitarist and Co-Founder, Dead at 64

 

[MadamSarcastra]

Manson's dead.

 

[Amy SF]

Manson's dead.

Manson Family Leader Charles Manson Dead At 83 | HuffPost