UK Online pornography to be blocked by default

[Blobbenstein]

great, now all the pron will be pixelated.

Cameron is a tool.

 

[Blobbenstein]

 

[crystal tips]

but porn is one relatively easily identifiable area that has clear negative effects when "consumed" by the wrong people, such as children. And it's not just about the risk of my children being directly exposed to it, but the much higher risk that other people's children will be exposed to it, and develop unhealthy attitudes and behaviours that will ultimately lead to negative consequences for my children. It's the pornofication of society that I would like to stop, and this opt-in policy seems like a good measure to that end.

Why is there a much higher risk of other people's children being exposed to it, and why will it ultimatley lead to negative consequences for your children?


it isn't the states job to parent children, it's the parents job, there are plenty of ways of stopping kids watching porn on the internet, supervise them on pc's, dont give them the latest smartphone, actually have a discussion with them about it, use the filters you can put in place on every pc and browser these days. When kids are old enough to have the interest in looking at porn they'll find it whether the internet is there or not, it has happened since the dawn of printing, it isn't anything new, only the amount has changed. Not everyone who has ever looked at porn turns into some sort or pervert monster who can't function "normally" in society, very very few do I'd wager, and when opting in, that will be kept on a record somewhere, just waiting for the time it may be able to be used against you - he/she watches porn, therefore he/she must be a bad person.....

It seems to me that kids are more at risk of cyber bullying and the issues that seem to eminate from social media than internet porn......

 

[Mischief]

If it's so easy for kids to get around filters to block porn, then what's the big deal about adults having to opt into having porn visible? Surely if kids can figure out how to get around filters, adults can figure out how to opt in?

 

[das_nut]

If it's so easy for kids to get around filters to block porn, then what's the big deal about adults having to opt into having porn visible? Surely if kids can figure out how to get around filters, adults can figure out how to opt in?

I really hate it when kids sign up for their own internet access and buy their own computers to evade parental monitoring...

 

[Mischief]

My point is that people are all outraged about something that requires what ... a minute? five minutes? ... to do by opting in, if porn is your thing.

It would be convenient to be able to do searches, especially for work, without porn sites cluttering up pages.

 

[Ansciess]

it has happened since the dawn of printing, it isn't anything new, only the amount has changed.

That's not at all true. The content of porn has been changing over the last couple decades.

http://gaildines.com/2010/07/new-york-post/

Today’s porn is not your father’s Playboy. Type porn into Google and you won’t see anything that looks like the old pinups; instead, you will be catapulted into a world of sexual cruelty and brutality where women are subject to body-punishing sex and called vile names. I

 

[das_nut]

My point is that people are all outraged about something that requires what ... a minute? five minutes? ... to do by opting in, if porn is your thing.

Don't you think that some people may be outraged by the government mandating a filtering system that will most likely be imperfect, and sets the stage for filtering other things later - things the government may not want you to see or know?

 

[Mischief]

Don't you think that some people may be outraged by the government mandating a filtering system that will most likely be imperfect, and sets the stage for filtering other things later - things the government may not want you to see or know?

Whether that happens or not, it will happen/not happen whether the porn filter is there or not.

Kind of reminds me how people are aghast and shocked that security agencies might be checking whether keywords associated with terrorist activity are popping up, yet have no problem with corporations keeping track of every site you visit and what is posted there, as part of their marketing efforts.

 

[Mischief]

That's not at all true. The content of porn has been changing over the last couple decades.

http://gaildines.com/2010/07/new-york-post/

This is very, very true. When I was young, as far as I know you couldn't even find a photo where the woman's pubic area hadn't been artfully airbrushed.

 

[das_nut]

Whether that happens or not, it will happen/not happen whether the porn filter is there or not

We don't have to make it easy.

 

[Blobbenstein]

so everyone who has not opted out of the filter will have every website they visit checked by some company in China?


Seems like a good reason to opt out then....

 

[crystal tips]

That's not at all true. The content of porn has been changing over the last couple decades.

http://gaildines.com/2010/07/new-york-post/

it has always been there, and in the "cruel" forms too (which is just some people's opinion of what is cruel, it isn't cruel to the people who get off on that). Just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean it wasn't there, the victorians were just as much involved in porn only without the internet. As with most things, something is usually considered to be depraved/sexually immoral just because the person doesn't happen to share the same kinks....

Porn is very very easy to keep off your screen if you just set your browser to safe search, apply the filters that are already there, change your search engine to one that doesnt automatically show pictures (duckduckgo, startpage, incidentally they dont save your searches either like google do), it would take you all of a minute? 5 minutes? if it wasn't possible already everybody would be inundated with porn at work, and the majority aren't. if it is pop up ads you are getting, then install adblocker, but you know how you get those pop ups in the first place right?

blocking one thing is the door opener to blocking whatever the government of the day don't want you to see, they do it all the time, it starts off with something that is easy to get agreed, like porn and "won't someone think of the children" or "it will help to prevent terrorism" what it really does is give government carte blanche to start censoring everything they can get away with, and before you know it there is no freedom left.

What happens when something is hidden and made to be such a taboo, made to be so mysterious and exciting, is that the very people you claim to want to protect, are then more fascinated by what they think they are missing out on, thereby having the complete opposte effect to that intended.

 

[Ansciess]

it has always been there, and in the "cruel" forms too (which is just some people's opinion of what is cruel, it isn't cruel to the people who get off on that). Just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean it wasn't there, the victorians were just as much involved in porn only without the internet. As with most things, something is usually considered to be depraved/sexually immoral just because the person doesn't happen to share the same kinks....

No one is saying cruelty in some form of pornography didn't exist earlier than today, but it's just ignorant to claim that it was in any way near the volume and intensity that it is today.

As one porn producer told Adult video News, the trade journal of the pornography industry, “People want more…. Make it more hard, make it more nasty, make it more relentless.”[vi]

In one of the only studies on the content of contemporary pornography,[vii] it was found that the majority of scenes from 50 of the top-rented porn movies contained both physical and verbal abuse targeted against the female performers. Physical aggression, which included spanking, open-hand slapping and gagging, occurred in over 88% of scenes while expressions of verbal aggression, calling the woman names such as ***** or ****, were found in 48% of the scenes. The researchers concluded that “if we combine both physical and verbal aggression, our findings indicate that nearly 90% of scenes contained at least one aggressive act .…”[viii]

...I want to say that as someone who has studied the pornography industry for over 20 years, I am still surprised that it has become so brutal this quickly.

http://gaildines.com/2010/06/congressional-briefing/#_edn7

I also don't share your views about morality and sexuality. Here - if you find the following description just "different strokes for different folks" and have no ethical issue with lot of guys getting off on this, I think that's a social problem for women, and not just some issue of sexual puritanism. And this is indeed mainstream porn as it exists today:

Women in pornography have no hopes and no dreams and no value apart from the friction those holes and hands can produce on a man’s *****. If anyone doubts that, let me describe one more video from my research, one more video from the mainstream section of a store that carries adult product, where men rent and buy films to help them masturbate.

“A Cum Sucking ***** Named Kimberly” is a 2003 release from Anabolic Video Productions. The tape is a compilation of five scenes featuring Kimberly, taken from five other films produced by this company. The first scene is from “World Sex Tour #25,” in which two men explain that this will be Kimberly’s first anal scene and first d.p. Kimberly is French Canadian and speaks little or no English. At the end of the scene, when the men ejaculate into her mouth, she starts to gag, and the two men tell her (through a translator off screen) that she has to swallow the semen, which she does. Through the translator, they tell Kimberly to say, “Thank you for ******* me in Montreal.” Kimberly says, “Thank you for ******* me in Montreal.” The scene ends with the two men talking later about the experience. “We blew out her *******,” one says. This is how the film presents Kimberly’s introduction to what she will be in pornography, what men want her to be.

The remaining scenes follow Kimberly through her “career” in pornography, finishing with “Gang Bang Girl #32.” In this scene a frustrated football coach berates his players after practice, asking them whether they are “football players or fags.” He says they will lose the game the next day, which he wouldn’t mind if his players were men -- he just hates to lose with fags. He turns to the assistant coach and says, “prove to me they’re not fags” before walking away. The proof will be in the 13 players having sex with Kimberly, one of the cheerleaders in the stands. She comes down to the field and engages in sex in a variety of different positions. As the men wait for their turn, they stand around her, masturbating to keep their erections, joking and laughing. At one point she is in a double-penetration with a third man’s ***** is in her mouth while she masturbates two other penises.

She is three holes and two hands.

One by one the men ejaculate, most of them into Kimberly’s mouth. One man ejaculates into a protective cup and then pours it into her mouth. The last man ejaculates inside her vagina, and then she stands and catches his semen in her hand. She moves forward to face the camera and starts to lick it off her hand. At first she can’t quite bring herself to do it, but then she does, making a pained face and gagging slightly. The scene ends with the men dumping the water from a large jug on her.

Anabolic Video made that gang-bang film and sold it once. It was successful enough to excerpt and sell again. Men rented and purchased these tapes, and masturbated to orgasm while watching Kimberly in those positions. And they keep buying and renting. As I write this, “Gang Bang Girl” is on videotape number 34 and World Sex Tour is on number 27. There are 10 tapes in the “Cum Sucking ***** Named …” series.

In a society in which so many men are watching so much pornography that is rooted in the pain and humiliation of women, it is not difficult to understand why so many can’t bear to confront it: Pornography forces men to face up to how we have learned to be sexual. And pornography forces women to face up to how men see them.

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/pornography&cruelty.htm

 

[Mischief]

What fascinates me is the number of young women who defend this ^^^ stuff. I guess it's "cool" to find it acceptable. Unfortunately, your daughters will be paying the price, because women's rights are sliding back down the slope that prior generations worked so hard to climb.

 

[crystal tips]

No one is saying cruelty in some form of pornography didn't exist earlier than today, but it's just ignorant to claim that it was in any way near the volume and intensity that it is today.

Please don't call me ignorant just because we don't have the same opinions.

I didn't say the amount of porn hadn't increased, if you re-read my earlier comment you will see that i had already said the amount available had indeed, changed, the communication network and available outlets we have are increased, making distribution much easier than ever.

"I also don't share your views about morality and sexuality. Here - if you find the following description just "different strokes for different folks" and have no ethical issue with lot of guys getting off on this, I think that's a social problem for women, and not just some issue of sexual puritanism. And this is indeed mainstream porn as it exists today"

Women get off on this too, porn is not just for men, but the writer in your linked article didn't seem to ask any women for an opinion, not in that excerpt anyway, maybe she did in the full book, but what two or more consenting adults get up to and get excited by is up to no one else to judge as immoral or otherwise.

The issue in the thread isn't what people do or don't get excited by, but whether it should be blocked by default. There are plenty of ways to keep porn off you screen, there are laws in place already regarding what can and can't be distributed, by any medium, the internet included, and not typing porn into google is a great way to start. Blocking the internet of anything by default is the start of the loss of the freedon that makes the internet the place it is.

 

[das_nut]

I also don't share your views about morality and sexuality. Here - if you find the following description just "different strokes for different folks" and have no ethical issue with lot of guys getting off on this, I think that's a social problem for women, and not just some issue of sexual puritanism.

Why do you limit this to just "guys getting off", instead of both genders?

After all, one of the most popular depictions of abuse and sadism right now is being bought by women.

 

[Ansciess]

Please don't call me ignorant just because we don't have the same opinions.

Nope. It's not an opinion, and I gave some sourcing. Now to stay in the game, you need to source that pornography has not changed, which defies reality, and is ignorant.

Women get off on this too, porn is not just for men, but the writer in your linked article didn't seem to ask any women for an opinion, not in that excerpt anyway, maybe she did in the full book, but what two or more consenting adults get up to and get excited by is up to no one else to judge as immoral or otherwise.

I don't give a **** if some women find other women being degraded really sexy. It's a problem for women in general that so many males are training themselves to find aggression against women sexy, even if some women are great with promoting a rape and violence against women culture. I mean, if you enjoy the thought of women getting brutalized, and want to see filmed prostitutes slapped, pounded, and getting anally torn so you can get off on it, good for you (and too bad for her). But I resent it that I can't live without threat of sexual violence.

 

[Ansciess]

Why do you limit this to just "guys getting off", instead of both genders?

After all, one of the most popular depictions of abuse and sadism right now is being bought by women.

When adult men fear getting raped by women as a daily occurrence, I will express concern that women are getting off sexually on filmed violence/sexual degradation against men.

 

[das_nut]

When adult men fear getting raped by women as a daily occurrence, I will express concern that women are getting off sexually on filmed violence/sexual degradation against men.

Actually, women seem to be "getting off" on written violence/abuse of women.

According to the federal agency’s guidelines, intimate partner violence includes “physical, sexual, or psychological harm by a current or former partner or spouse.” Physical violence includes acts such as slapping and choking, while sexual violence entails forced sex acts, often induced through the use of alcohol or other drugs. Psychological or emotional abuse can involve humiliation, social isolation and stalking.

The book depicts multiple elements of such abuse, [Ohio State University researcher Amy Bonomi] said. Additionally, Anastasia “suffers reactions typical of abused women,” changing her behavior to maintain peace in the relationship and, over time, becoming disempowered and socially isolated.

- LA Times

I'd express concern about the popularity of a novel that appears to be such a horrific depiction of an unhealthy relationship, regardless of which gender reads it.