UK Online pornography to be blocked by default

Actually, women seem to be "getting off" on written violence/abuse of women.

It's too bad that some women collude with the degradation of women. However, women do not fear rape and sexual violence by other women.

On a number of levels, a novel is less problematic than filmed pornography. Number one, there are absolutely no victims in the making of it.
 
It's too bad that some women collude with the degradation of women. However, women do not fear rape and sexual violence by other women.

But women can perpetuate a culture where violence is acceptable.

On a number of levels, a novel is less problematic than filmed pornography. Number one, there are absolutely no victims in the making of it.

Well, one could argue that good taste was a victim. :p
 
The issue in the thread isn't what people do or don't get excited by, but whether it should be blocked by default. There are plenty of ways to keep porn off you screen, there are laws in place already regarding what can and can't be distributed, by any medium, the internet included, and not typing porn into google is a great way to start. Blocking the internet of anything by default is the start of the loss of the freedon that makes the internet the place it is.

Exactly. People seem to be missing the point as this move wouldn't make the porn on the internet disappear and it would be unlikely to protect children from the 'evils' of online porn.
 
Why is there a much higher risk of other people's children being exposed to it, and why will it ultimatley lead to negative consequences for your children?
The higher risk is simple statistics. It's the likelihood that my one child gets exposed to it versus the likelihood that some of the thousands of other children will be exposed to it, children that she will meet and interact with during her lifetime. There is also a component of personal conviction behind my statement: the high likelihood (in my opinion) that my child will grow up in a stable home with two parents who care for her and set reasonable boundaries, versus the high likelihood that some of the other children she will meet and interact with are less fortunate.

It will lead to negative consequences for my child because she will meet and interact with other children who have been exposed to it, some of whom will develop a twisted sexuality. It will also contribute to a more porn-tolerant society that will accept more nudity and porn in advertising. The extreme focus and glorification of perfect bodies and "being sexy" contributes to a decline in mental health.

it isn't the states job to parent children, it's the parents job, there are plenty of ways of stopping kids watching porn on the internet, supervise them on pc's, dont give them the latest smartphone, actually have a discussion with them about it, use the filters you can put in place on every pc and browser these days.
It's the state's job to contribute to safe and secure living conditions for all its inhabitants. The state enforcing an ISP porn filter doesn't stop us from also taking some of the precautions you mentioned. That's just common sense. The way I see it, it seems egotistical to oppose the ISP filters, especially since you can just opt out of it. We have no God-given right to watch porn on our computers, to the detriment of all those children whose parents don't care or don't know how to set proper boundaries. The inconvenience of having to tick a button and be on the ISP's "porn list" is insignificant compared to the benefit of those children and society in general.

When kids are old enough to have the interest in looking at porn they'll find it whether the internet is there or not, it has happened since the dawn of printing, it isn't anything new, only the amount has changed.
The more that is available, the easier it is to find. If they are exposed to a lot, then that is worse than just being exposed to a little.

Not everyone who has ever looked at porn turns into some sort or pervert monster who can't function "normally" in society, very very few do I'd wager,
I feel confident this is a much bigger problem than you seem to be aware of.
and when opting in, that will be kept on a record somewhere, just waiting for the time it may be able to be used against you - he/she watches porn, therefore he/she must be a bad person.....
If someone were to try and use your "porn record" against you, it would be a breach of privacy laws, and therefore punishable by law. In this day and age of hackers and out-of-control government surveillance agencies I do sympathise somewhat with your concern, but it is still a lesser concern than the concern for children being exposed to all sorts of pornography.

It seems to me that kids are more at risk of cyber bullying and the issues that seem to eminate from social media than internet porn......
Even if they are, which is debatable, why not try to tackle the porn problem as well?
 
The way I see it, it seems egotistical to oppose the ISP filters, especially since you can just opt out of it. We have no God-given right to watch porn on our computers, to the detriment of all those children whose parents don't care or don't know how to set proper boundaries.

This seems to be a "think of the children!" argument saying there is no right to free speech.

Where does it end?

Crazy people can and have been influenced by free speech, to the point of committing murder. This includes political ideologies. Heck, even veg*nism has inspired some (obviously not mentally sound) individuals should commit acts of violence.

Should there be a veg filter on internet connections? After all, its clear that some veg propaganda is deeply disturbing. Maybe young children shouldn't see such acts like what really happens in a slaughterhouse.

The same argument applies. Should there be a veg filter on ISP connections? Adults can opt-in, but children wouldn't be exposed to such acts.
 
This seems to be a "think of the children!" argument saying there is no right to free speech.
If the distributors would like to make the case that their works have any qualities that children may somehow benefit from, or be developmentally disadvantaged by not getting access to it, then they should be welcome to appeal.

"Think of the children" is only a logical fallacy in certain cases:
When used as a plea for pity, this appeal to emotion can constitute a potential logical fallacy, while when used as an appeal for sympathy for weaker members of society, or the social good of the long-term health and viability of a society, it can constitute an argument for social justice generally accepted as appropriate.
From Think of the children (Wikipedia)
(I believe the way I'm using it is in the latter senses above.)

Where does it end?

Crazy people can and have been influenced by free speech, to the point of committing murder. This includes political ideologies. Heck, even veg*nism has inspired some (obviously not mentally sound) individuals should commit acts of violence.
This law won't prevent crazy people from accessing anything. The purpose is to protect children.

Should there be a veg filter on internet connections? After all, its clear that some veg propaganda is deeply disturbing. Maybe young children shouldn't see such acts like what really happens in a slaughterhouse.

The same argument applies. Should there be a veg filter on ISP connections? Adults can opt-in, but children wouldn't be exposed to such acts.
There already are widespread regulations that attempt to protect children from watching violence. TV series with violence air later in the evenings, there are age restrictions on movies etc. So yes, maybe they shouldn't see slaughterhouse footage before a certain age, at least. But I don't see a problem with "veg propaganda" in general, just like I don't see a problem with factual information about sex, pregnancy, STDs etc. As for an ISP filter against violence, yes probably ....
 
I think any new porn filter should be easily toggle-able, where by someone can set it so that you have to enter a password to turn off the filter. Then maybe there would be no need for lists of people; the person who pays for the connection could set their own preferences, with their own password, which they can give to other people in the household if they want.
 
I read this just now(just in the UK if anyone is worried :p)

Websites which fail to stop children accessing pornography will have payments to them blocked by banks and credit card companies as part of a government plan to help clean up the internet, The Telegraph has learnt.


Purveyors of explicit images will be starved of paying customers under the proposals, even if the material itself is not illegal. It is thought to be the first time banks have been asked effectively to police the internet in such a way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...22072/Banks-to-block-internet-porn-sites.html

It's ok for Cameron's lot as they all have off shore accounts.:p

Doesn't affect me as I'm cheap. :p
 
If the distributors would like to make the case that their works have any qualities that children may somehow benefit from, or be developmentally disadvantaged by not getting access to it, then they should be welcome to appeal.

Are you advocating for a position that everything should be censored, unless it can can successfully make the case that it would benefit children?

Because that is what it sounds like you're doing.
 
I think that some words are seemingly random but may lead to some of the stuff that they target.

Besides, who would search on google for child porn anyway?
 
This sounds wrong. An elderly adult may know about 20,000 words on average. (Us younger folks average less). So how are there 100,000?

it's not single words, it's search 'terms', so the permutations would be quite large with several words.
 
well we should still be able to do shopping at least....I don't think the Tories would stop us doing that.