Should veganism have the same legal protection as religion?

The military is different than becoming a nurse. Your body belongs to the military while you are in; you waive your rights. I do not waive my rights when I become a nurse, I do not belong to the government, the hospital, or my patients.

The vaccination records of all health care personnel in the U S will be on site. Ask to see the records (the Nursing Educator will know where they are if you're in hospital) if you think they are going to lie to you about having been vaccinated.
 
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The military should be no different than being a nurse, in this regard. If you don't want to actually take patient's health into consideration by being vaccinated, you shouldn't go into a field where people's health is your responsibility.

Vaccines should be mandatory, and not complying should be grounds for dismissal.
 
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Moll Flanders said:
Do UK people on here get the vaccination even if they aren't in an "at risk" group?
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Nope. I've never even had the flu, never been offered a jab (for the flu), never really thought about it before.

I'm not worried about doctors/etc having not had jabs, on a personal level I think it's unlikely to make a big statistical impact on whether I get sick or not, when you consider it only vaccinates against certain strains of flu, plus you could catch many other illnesses people may have or be carrying. Not just in hospital but every time you meet a person. So is isn't something I'd worry about if I was going into a hospital.

I can see how it would make a big difference on a big scale to hospitals though, where there are lots of both staff and sick people, and the flu could spread very quickly between both staff and patients and endanger a lot of people who are vulnerable. If I think about how quickly and easily illness can spread around, say, a school class or an office, I think any measure that reduces the likelihood of that in a hospital with very little risk to the staff should be encouraged. I don't really know much about the vaccination though to know if this is true of the flu jab.
 
kibbleforlola said:
Why some dogs still get sick even after being vaccinated for kennel cough:

There are several points to keep in mind when this scenario occurs. First, no vaccine is 100% effective...
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You've proved my point.

kibbleforlola said:
Doesn't look like a good reason not to vaccinate your dog anyway. Parainfluenza can be deadly - I'd rather Lola have some protection than no protection. But if you want to put your animals at risk - that's on you; I'm only responsible for Lola and Alainn's lives.
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The groundless personal extrapolations in threads like this certainly are interesting.

kibbleforlola said:
If you don't want to actually take patient's health into consideration by being vaccinated, you shouldn't go into a field where people's health is your responsibility.
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Can you give us unbiased scientific research that proves that having a vaccine that isn't 100% effective anyway protects the patients' health? I should think that believing the vaccine will protect one's patients would lead to more carelessness rather than less, since the worker thinks they are protected and therefore a little sloppiness won't cause any harm. Kinda like the thinking that goes "oh we don't need a condom, honey, I'm on the pill".
 
Moll Flanders said:
Do UK people on here get the vaccination even if they aren't in an "at risk" group?
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Thought I'd just mention that as well as people 'at risk' and healthcare professionals, others are also offered and encouraged to have it. My mum worked in the control room (answering 999 calls) for the police and they came round and did theirs at work.
 
CrazyCatLady said:
My mum worked in the control room (answering 999 calls) for the police and they came round and did theirs at work.
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My husband's family do that same job and they were offered it too. My husband can get it at his work as he works with the public and he is also my carer some of the time so he is entitled. Do you know CCL if I would be able to go to my GP and get the jab or would I have to pay? I was ill five times last year and I had been considering getting the flu jab myself but I thought maybe I would be taking it away from someone that needed it more?
 
Moll Flanders said:
My husband's family do that same job and they were offered it too. My husband can get it at his work as he works with the public and he is also my carer some of the time so he is entitled. Do you know CCL if I would be able to go to my GP and get the jab or would I have to pay? I was ill five times last year and I had been considering getting the flu jab myself but I thought maybe I would be taking it away from someone that needed it more?
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My mum didn't work with the public, but they are given it on the theory that that can't afford for loads of them to be sick at once. Which is another reason I get it. If I get the flu I would leave my department short staffed and under pressure.

I don't think you would get it free under one of the at risk categories. Not sure how much it costs at the dr surgery but I think I saw tesco pharmacy advertising it for £10.

Don't worry about taking it from those who need it. They are encouraged (no doubt with a financial incentive) to vaccinate as many as possible xxx
 
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I don't think you would get it free under one of the at risk categories. Not sure how much it costs at the dr surgery but I think I saw tesco pharmacy advertising it for £10.
Don't worry about taking it from those who need it. They are encouraged (no doubt with a financial incentive) to vaccinate as many as possible xxx
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Thanks for info.:) I keep going back and forth on whether to get the flu jab or not.
 
Moll Flanders said:
Thanks for info.:) I keep going back and forth on whether to get the flu jab or not.
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If you do, make sure you're not ill at the time. There's a myth that the flu jab gives you flu. There's no live virus in the vaccine. But it does knock your immune system down a tiny bit initially. So if you were trying to fight a cold at the time or anything you won't have as good a chance. Which is why people moan and say 'the flu jab gave me the flu' xxx
 
Moll Flanders said:
Thanks for info.:) I keep going back and forth on whether to get the flu jab or not.
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Tbh it is kind of late in flu season, at least in the US. It takes a couple of weeks after the jab to develop immunity, and hopefully by then the infection rate will be on the decline.

I just looked it up; it appears to be declining in the UK. From yesterday:

"Indicators of influenza activity across England have decreased compared to the previous week but hospitalisations continue to be reported. A letter has been issued to the NHS that GPs may now prescribe antiviral medicines for the prophylaxis and treatment of influenza in accordance with NICE guidance."
http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1287147913271


So if anyone thinks you are coming down with influenza (fever, body aches, cough, sore throat), go to the doc and get the antivirals asap. The sooner, the less severe.
 
ledboots said:
Many medical professionals agree with you.
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I find it interesting that any docs I know against the fluvax are specialists, neurologists, etc. Makes one wonder if they're on to something.

Instead of worrying about the flu, if I was hospitalized I'd be more concerned with MRSA and C diff. Those are spread far more often by healthcare workers when there is a guaranteed way of preventing spread. Whether my nurse had a flu vaccine that's not even effective against all strains and only 60% effective against the very strains it was created for would be the least of my concerns. Instead of worrying about vaccines, worry about whether anyone touching you or your food washed their hands properly.
 
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kibbleforlola said:
Why some dogs still get sick even after being vaccinated for kennel cough:

There are several points to keep in mind when this scenario occurs. First, no vaccine is 100% effective. Second, the” kennel cough” vaccine does not vaccinate against “kennel cough,” and only contains 2 of the many disease organisms that can cause kennel cough, namely Bordetella bacterium and parainfluenza virus. It certainly possible your dog came down with kennel cough after he was infected with another organism that was not contained in the vaccine. Third, if he was vaccinated immediately before he was boarded, the vaccine would not have had enough time to take effect, rendering it useless.

Doesn't look like a good reason not to vaccinate your dog anyway. Parainfluenza can be deadly - I'd rather Lola have some protection than no protection. But if you want to put your animals at risk - that's on you; I'm only responsible for Lola and Alainn's lives.
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Kennel cough usually is just like a minor cold in most healthy dogs. Now I agree with it in kennel type situations where there are dozens of dogs, many under stress or otherwise immune compromised, etc. My dogs have never had the bordetella vaccine and won't be getting it any time soon. They've also never contracted kennel cough and they get out and about often around other dogs. They get only the vaccines where the benefit outweighs the risk and they don't get them each year. Dogs are overvaccinated just like humans are. More does not equal better. Polio vaccine for humans = worth the risks. Fluvax = not so sure.
 
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