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Saw this on a bumper sticker today "Kids that hunt, trap, and fish don't steal, deal, and murder". WTF!!!
"Kids that steal, deal, and murder don't hunt, trap, and fish"
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"Kids that steal, deal, and murder don't hunt, trap, and fish"
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FortyTwo
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Well those who hunt, trap, and fish arguably are murderers.
thefadedone
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Exactly. Murderers and thieves!
How is fishing not murder? The fish are usually ripped out of their environment and die a very slow painful death so they can be consumed by humans. The end result is almost always death in a very cruel way.
FortyTwo
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I do think that the killing of non-humans is legitimate murder, and I think you're wrong, but I have to say I'm impressed with the Most Dangerous Game reference.
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How would it be? Murder in the killing sense refers specifically to illegal killing (of and by) humans as far as I've seen it defined. It seems like people (mis)use it in place of 'killing' when that doesn't seem emotional enough, regardless of whether they're talking about humans or animals.
I'm not going to take offense, even though you just called me (I used to hunt and fish), almost everyone I grew up with, and most members of my family murderers (many of these even if they don't hunt and fish are ranchers). But I do believe that you should think harder before you start throwing around loaded adjectives.
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I consider my life before I turned vegan one of murder. Not of human beings, but still murder in my eyes. It's something I dread thinking about and that makes me feel incredibly guilty, and will probably continue to do so for the rest of my life.
Kittendumpling
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Saw this on a bumper sticker today "Kids that hunt, trap, and fish don't steal, deal, and murder". WTF!!!
Yeah, because killing is totally a healthy thing to do! *facepalm*
Kittendumpling
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I don't think that's what she was doing. The way I saw it, she was expressing incredulity at the attitude that lack of value for animal life inherently brings respect for human life. Seemed pretty illogical to be, to be honest. Many of us have come from a life of disregard to non-human life, but I think it was slightly hypersensitive to take it personally.
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Unless you were referring to thefadedone, it's a he. But yeah, that's exactly how I've been saying it, and how others have been saying it as well (at least that is my understanding). No offense was meant.
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But I don't think that it's a "loaded adjective" and you wouldn't have brought it up if you didn't take some offense.
Okay, I took offense.
However it is a loaded adjective, any argument you can make to this is only nit-picking. Also by the definition of the word you're using it incorrectly.
I'm not going to argue it further, as I was about to call you a name to prove my point, and I'm not going to allow myself to do that, as I don't see any good outcome to this if I continue.
I enjoy our interactions on this board and don't wish to damage that.
However it is a loaded adjective, any argument you can make to this is only nit-picking. Also by the definition of the word you're using it incorrectly.
I'm not going to argue it further, as I was about to call you a name to prove my point, and I'm not going to allow myself to do that, as I don't see any good outcome to this if I continue.
I enjoy our interactions on this board and don't wish to damage that.
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Sorry. Like I said, I wasn't trying to offend.
And for once, I wasn't going to nitpick.
I just don't personally see that word the same as you do, I guess.
thefadedone
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Woah, I didn't mean to stir up a debate or to offend anyone. I apologize if I did.
Yes this is what I meant, but overall things like hunting/fishing/trapping are just something I will never understand.
Yes this is what I meant, but overall things like hunting/fishing/trapping are just something I will never understand.
Murder usually refers to the legal definition, but I'd argue there is a case for using it in an ethical sense as well. Sometimes killing is deemed legal by authorities, e.g. in wars, be they just or unjust wars, just as long as you're on the side of said authorities (be they just or unjust authorities), you're supposed to kill the enemy in good conscience. When I think of it like that, the murder vs. killing distinction in the legal sense gets blurred and seems irrelevant. Only the ethical meaning seems to make sense.
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I don't think I would trust a source using 'murder' in place of 'kill' when talking about war, regardless of whose side I was on, if any. It says to me that they are trying to dramatise the events more than actually tell me what happened. Especially since it's possible that the two terms coincide, which would make it really hard to tell what was going on if they'd been using 'murder' already.
