None the less, the grievance is perfectly understandable. Unfortunately it was followed by the term “nominal vegan” and then comments that appeared to belittle previous posts by Lou.
Lou is then quoted: “A Whole Food Plant Based diet can include chicken …” This is purely a statement of fact. Nekodaiden then says, “?? How is chicken a plant Lou? Can you plant chickens and grow them out of the ground?” This comes across as sarcastic and apparently ignores that Lou was also quoted as saying, “But WFPB is just a diet. It doesn't contain the ethical imperative.”
"Statement of fact"
Actually not. In the scientific literature either “plant based” or “whole food plant based” is overwhelmingly a description
of the food
rather than
the percentage of that food in the diet.
“Whole food” - It is as Nature has provided, the whole corn kernel, the whole soybean, the whole wheat kernel, the whole potato, the whole rice grain, the whole pea.
...not extracts from these, not “pea protein”, not rice without the bran and germ, not oil without the olives, not white wheat without the bran and germ etc.
“plant based” - It is from the Plant kingdom.
Simple, straightforward, honest.
However, like all plain terminology it can be twisted (and has) to simply mean that the plants are whole, and the word “based” treated as a mere percentage of the food consumed. In other words, a meal of steak, baked potatoes and peas would be considered WFPB under this latter definition.
This is primarily the fault of people like Fuhrman who twist the term so that he can get more people to pay outrageous sums of money for his recipes and his supplements while calling them WFPB and still including meat – which of course appeals to a lot of people, specifically, those who do not want to give up meat and other animal products in the diet.
See how this works? Now the word Vegan doesn’t mean WFPB, it just adds an
ethical component. Although Vegan used to mean real whole food from only the plant kingdom, since it almost always now means “no animal products, full stop”, opportunists like Fuhrman can capitalize on it to make a buck and confuse people into thinking it can include animal products in the diet.
It’s genius really. Capitalizing on the current definition of "Vegan" to mean primarily ethics, not whole food, people on Vegan diets under this definition can develop all kinds of deficiencies and hunger eating refined products, fiber lacking foods, chemically engineered products like protein extracts, oils and sugar isolates etc. The people who wish to avoid "Vegan deficiencies" (mineral and vitamin deficiencies) -those people can say they’re WFPB, maybe even think they’re vegan or nearly depending on the percentage of them in their diet, but still eat animal products, just so long as the grains, legumes, veggies and fruits are whole(the best of both worlds, so they think) But if by chance they won't be eating that many whole food plant products to begin with, there are of course lots of supplements, and Celeb doctors like Fuhrman are waiting to sell them.
Quite a statement from a person who suspects b12 deficiency in his system. Although I understand since creating this thread that chlorinated water and alcohol consumption may be big players in that in various ways.
I do hope that Nekodaiden will not take my comments as being any sort of venomous attack on him or indeed that I am accusing him of deliberately attempting to upset Lou. I note that he also said, “If this is not you, I'm sorry...”
Nope, I don't see your post that way. Nor was I out to deliberately upset anyone.
