Unpopular Opinions Society

[das_nut]

Well they wouldn't know they had made a mistake, unless you tell them....they might just think that vegans eat egg.

Why not tell them they've made a mistake, but that this time, you're willing to eat it.

Then they can still learn that they have made a mistake, yet food doesn't go to waste.

 

[FortyTwo]

Why not tell them they've made a mistake, but that this time, you're willing to eat it.

Then they can still learn that they have made a mistake, yet food doesn't go to waste.

Because then they won't care enough to fix it in the future. It's much easier to fix up a plate exactly the same way over and over and over again without worrying about making accommodations for your clients.

If it was an omnivore ordering a dish a certain way, and they got it the wrong way, the restaurant would be expected to apologize and whip up a new plate. The process should be absolutely no different for vegans. If you are paying someone to make you food, and you specify the way you want it made, then you should get that food the way you wanted it.

I agree with some of your earlier comments in this thread, such as the ones about secondhand leather (even though I'd never use it myself and I wouldn't consider someone who constantly hunts for it and actively buys it vegan), but this whole restaurant mistake business is a ridiculous. Like, Alicia Silverstone-level ridiculous.

 

[Pickle Juice]

Why are you eating at restaurants anyway? There are any number of other ways to obtain food that are way more environmentally responsible and less wasteful of resources than dining out. For example, going raw will spare lots more animal suffering than eating out will, even when you order vegan and they don't make a mistake.

 

[FortyTwo]

Why are you eating at restaurants anyway? There are any number of other ways to obtain food that are way more environmentally responsible and less wasteful of resources than dining out. For example, going raw will spare lots more animal suffering than eating out will, even when you order vegan and they don't make a mistake.

And I hope he's biking to every single one of them. Car tires are made from a composite of sources, many of which may be derived from animals. Don't even get me started on the ethical and environmental ramifications of gasoline!

Basically, you can never be a perfect vegan. Why that's being used as an excuse to eat animal products is beyond me, but I think that's something of the general message. Right? Sort-of?

Actually, never mind. This is confusing and pointless...

 

[Ansciess]

Vegans might wear pre-vegan or inherited leather, but unlike you aren't going to go out and actively buy more (new or used) unless there is no other reasonable option (work or finances might dictate another choice).

But you're really the one with a stick up your butt about who is vegan and who is not. A vegan might wear leather in some circumstance. Doing so is not a vegan action, but it doesn't necessarily make someone not vegan. No vegan can be perfect in this world. I notice that it's the nonvegans who are the real vegan police.

But hey, since you care about animals more than vegans do, and like to confront, again, why aren't you confronting the people on here who buy factory farmed/new animal products, even when they have a choice? I can't believe you actually care about animals, especially more than vegans, if you're only going after vegans rather than people who are actively and directly supporting animal industries.

 

[mlp]

Actually, eating raw isn't terribly good from an environmental POV unless you happen to live in a part of the world with a really long growing season, because raw requires a lot/mostly fresh food, which means a lot of food shipped from long distances, since canning and other traditional forms of food preservation aren't available to you.

I would suspect that you couldn't feed much of the world's current population on a raw diet anyway - there's a reason grains, legumes and potatoes became such a staple of the human diet - you can grow a lot of calories on an acre of land if you grow those crops (i.e., you can feed more people per crop acre than you can with other crops), apart from the fact that they are so easily preserved.

A raw diet is pretty much a luxury diet.

 

[mlp]

You can sprout grains and legumes and eat them raw. Some folk even eat raw potatoes. Lots of them also go around where they live and eat "weeds". Many also eat seasonally no matter where they live, and they are not wealthy.

Well, here in central Illinois, if eating raw and locally grown, you'd be living off of sprouted grains and legumes for 6+ months of the year. You could figure on apples for about three of those months, and carrots for maybe two, if you have a really good root cellar, but for part of that time they're no longer very appetising raw. In a good root cellar, potatoes can last up to four months, but again, by that time you have a lot of rotten ones, and what's left isn't very appetising even cooked.

I'd be very interested in meeting someone who does actually eat raw and locally in even a region 7 growing season, much less a region 6 or shorter.

Weeds, BTW, are gone after the first hard frost, and there's very little to be found in edible weeds before late April. (There's some up earlier, depending on the spring, but the plants are very small, so you need to cut a lot of plants to get anything.)

 

[Pickle Juice]

Well, here in central Illinois, if eating raw and locally grown, you'd be living off of sprouted grains and legumes for 6+ months of the year. You could figure on apples for about three of those months, and carrots for maybe two, if you have a really good root cellar, but for part of that time they're no longer very appetising raw. In a good root cellar, potatoes can last up to four months, but again, by that time you have a lot of rotten ones, and what's left isn't very appetising even cooked.

I'd be very interested in meeting someone who does actually eat raw and locally in even a region 7 growing season, much less a region 6 or shorter.

Weeds, BTW, are gone after the first hard frost, and there's very little to be found in edible weeds before late April. (There's some up earlier, depending on the spring, but the plants are very small, so you need to cut a lot of plants to get anything.)

You can sun dry as much as you need. It still counts as raw.

But that is beside the real point, which is, as many weaknesses as you or das_nut want to find in other people's ethical stances, other people can find in yours. All this really is is a "I'm more vegan than vegans" pissing contest, and the vegans didn't start it. Not saying you did, of course.

 

[Freesia]

Well, I'm more vegetarian than all the other vegetarians here.

All the other vegetarians here, are inferior vegetarians.

I am the greatest vegetarian in the world.

 

[das_nut]

There could be something to be said for not eating at a restaurant that serves any animal products. After all, why should you support a business that serves animals, even if it doesn't serve animals to you?

It's definitely doable to avoid all restaurants by eating at home or packing your own food/snacks. OTOH, I'm not sure if restricting veganism that much does much for animal rights. Sure, you aren't eating animal products, but your definition of veganism is so restrictive that it is unlikely to encourage others.

 

[Pickle Juice]

There could be something to be said for not eating at a restaurant that serves any animal products. After all, why should you support a business that serves animals, even if it doesn't serve animals to you?

It's definitely doable to avoid all restaurants by eating at home or packing your own food/snacks. OTOH, I'm not sure if restricting veganism that much does much for animal rights. Sure, you aren't eating animal products, but your definition of veganism is so restrictive that it is unlikely to encourage others.

There's nothing about veganism that demands the strict avoidance of eating in restaurants. However, you, as someone who claims to care even more about collateral animal death and suffering than the average vegan, should be doing everything you can to avoid it, and that includes eating in restaurants.

It really is annoying when people who don't even understand what veganism is, cast aspersions on it for what they erroneously think it is.

It's also annoying when they try to mischaracterize veganism and vegans to suit their bogus arguments.


Oops, wrong thread...

 

[Pickle Juice]

Well, I'm more vegetarian than all the other vegetarians here.

All the other vegetarians here, are inferior vegetarians.

I am the greatest vegetarian in the world.

You can't say this unless you are willing to eat the beef burrito you got when you ordered the bean burrito and they didn't hear you clearly.

 

[Freesia]

You can't say this unless you are willing to eat the beef burrito you got when you ordered the bean burrito and they didn't hear you clearly.

Because of my greatness as a vegetarian, this would never happen. Waiters and chefs talk in hushed whispers when I am in a restaurant- they know of my status, and they worry the meal wont be vegetarian enough for me.

 

[Pirate]

Well they wouldn't know they had made a mistake, unless you tell them....they might just think that vegans eat egg.


Then telling them that vegans don't eat eggs, and proceeding to eat the egg, might confuse them.

I dont eat eggs, and you served me eggs, but I will eat this one anyway. Just dont do it again ok, or I may have to eat it again!

To me such excuses seem like someone wants to just eat eggs and meat without having a guilty concience.

I think its a case of looking at the big picture. YES a bagel is wasted but in the grand scheme of things, it will make them less likely to do it in future. If people arent made aware of the mistakes they are making, how will they stop?

 

[das_nut]

I dont eat eggs, and you served me eggs, but I will eat this one anyway. Just dont do it again ok, or I may have to eat it again!

To me such excuses seem like someone wants to just eat eggs and meat without having a guilty concience.

Seriously? I don't think I've ever had a restaurant screw up and give me meat.

The last time I recall having dairy accidentally on a plate, it was at a Mexican restaurant. It was as a topping on a bean burrito. I've eaten at the place a few times since, and they've gotten my order right.

But if you think your favorite restaurant is going to continue to screw up your order unless you make it difficult for them, there's always online reviews. Most places seem to take them seriously.

 

[Marie]

Oh good. My Mom always kept a bay leaf in her flour jar, to keep out the weevils, and it always worked.

I put flour in the freezer for 24 hours after I buy it.

 

[Envy]

A restaurant may want to prevent incidents like that regardless of if an vegan decides that it's better for the animals to not toss it away because of -

Allergies
Religions
Americans with lawyers

 

[das_nut]

You can also put dried lentils from your garden into your freezer to kill pests.

Oh, and you can put shoes in a ziplock bag and throw them in a freezer to help control odors as well.

Freezers are magical.

 

[RabbitLuvr]

I don't think sending a meal back because they got the order wrong "being difficult."

 

[Moll Flanders]

I don't like soft cookies, they seem undercooked to me.