Vegan pet foods

[Vegan Dogs]

Pet parents give their dogs VitaLife dry dog food with confidence because they know that each recipe is made in Canada. Crafted and packaged with care, VitaLife dry dog food features three dog-approved flavors.

that is not a VEGAN dogfood so why advertising it here ? paid to or just a non vegan ?

what a **** thing to do in a vegan forum....post DEAD ANIMALS like this my turkey hen. This is what you just posted....killing of this animal and more like her. That is not vegan. Or fair or suited to a vegan forum.

I have news.

Christmas is dead. Sprawled out stiff New Year Day she died after 1 year and days of in pain suffering of her respiratory health problem that no vet could do anything other than prescribe different antibiotics for. I felt and saw her fading away last night....head on the ground not tucked in her feathers. She was fading away...

Hobbling in pain due to arthritis in her legs as standard in any turkey or broiler chicken designed and bred by humans to be too heavy kebab slices on legs unable to fly....she suffered every day of her 1 year life.

What for ? the habits of unhealthy tastes lazy humans cannot be bothered to choose life over death form or feeding her to their preferred PET species cats and dogs ? not taking the trouble to realise "nutrients" are what are in vegan petfoods that are those needed by the species made for...and humans the same do not NEED the lives of animals like her to thrive.

Le no one ever talk about "transitioning" pathetic wimpy matters like that using "this animal" to do that to...there is "no need", no animal dies over a change of effin diet FFS ! that is not worth "taking her life" for ! My vegan dogs and vegan cat have "never" suffered anything like she has and certainlynot due to their healthy GMO free, antibiotics free and not crap unfit for human food.

Do not ever...use the words "it is my choice" as if taking a LIFE is like choosing a pair of shoes or holiday. WHAT CHOICE did that dead person on the plate or in the petfood tin get ? none.

I am SICK of being told "it is a matter of choice" as if taking the life of someone is like the choice of a pair of shoes or holiday choice. "hat choice does the killed victim get" hey when mentioning CHOICE ? where was her choice ? that piece of dead body on a plate ?

I ended New Year day telling a so called VEGAN he was a Nazi supremacist for telling me humans were Alphas supreme beings in this world in reply to a comment about this dead turkey hen of mine comment because he was so focused on turkey catfood human rights to feed an unnaturally kept and fed by humans anyway pet cat due to unable to READ people believing idiot media incorrect hype about jailing vegan pet cat owners ! A group called Vegans for Animal Rights....obviously that group has members who have not "read the title" of the group or understood the message ! ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS to USE ! Not a single suffocated fish....not a single turkey...is worth taking the LIFE of for a PET fettish prisoner toy cat or dog that pets are to humans. THEY DO NOT NEED THEIR LIVES !

Fade away....and radiate....https/youtu.be/DyKdUlEjZtE dreams become my dreams...my dream is on the screen...Fade Away and Radiate

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Vegan Cats. Examples of living healthy thriving VEGAN FED CATS in the slideshow ! Healthy Vegan fed cats have lived to the long age of 20 years old.

Those 2 in the picture that includes the Ginger cat with a Blackie cat eating with relish their UK Vegan catfood figured recently in 2018 on BBC TV also recorded talk ! Fed since 7 years and 2.5 years vegan fed cats thriving ! Magic and Jonke.

Celine and Poppy saved from Hillgrove Vivisection laboratories in the UK ! Poppy died just a few days before his 20th birthday Celine was under the Christmas Tree December 2018 a glossy coated bright eyed bushy tailed healthy vegan fed cat on this webpage. http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Cats_List_Examples.html
Vegan cats Celine and Poppy. The Siamese boy died last year just a few days short of his 20th Birthday. He had been vegan for about 10 years and remained very healthy, he died in his sleep (in owner bed). Celine the black cat was rescued from a vivisection farm estimated age 9 to 18 months old. 15 years later she had a routine check-up and the vet said she has the blood profile of a 7 year old cat! Celine has also enjoyed a vegan diet for 10 years as at December 2018 her age now 20 years old. Fed Benevo Kibble from www.vegepets.com in the UK.

Not only CRUELTY DEATH FREE food...but HEALTHY ingredients without any of the crap and below human standard ingredients so common in other non vegan petfoods !

Talk on USA Vegan Nation Radio of December 2018 here..
The talk ! http://wcuw.org/vegannation/V.N.12.27.18.Evolution.VeganCats.NoelleObcarskas-UK.mp3

Petfood protein based on animals content would constitute the 5th largest continent in the world population. It is a multi billion USD etc income to this deadly business.

The word OBLIGATE CARNIVORE comes from the FRENCH language. It means FORCED ! OBLIGE means FORCED ! to eat what was available at the time only that in fact gives the feline cat species HIGH RISK UTI/KIDNEY/CRYSTALS diseases if fed raw flesh....fact ! go see the scientific autopsies reports on 87 percent renal kidney diseases found in Wild Lions on those diets provided links to where to find those article in the links below. We are no longer FORCED to live off other animals lives !

Taurine...is SYNTHETIC so VEGAN as standard in ALL so labelled when quantified petfoods ! Fact ! many people do not realise this.

Cats as a species are WEAK genetically for health in 30 percent having heart murmers and UTI/Kidney/Crystals common problems. This is LOWER than their wild counterpart lion type felines who suffer 74 percent more than double the renal/kidney diseases (on raw flesh diets so obviously not healthy for them) but the same 30 percent species high heart diseases. Male cats especially neutered ones suffer more urinary crystals than females due to their narrower urine anatomy system. Links to the scientific studies with these findings on the general information page link.

To reduce the massive deaths of animals for human and pet animals' consumption we need to not support the animal agriculture industry.

Vegan Nation....a USA Radio Station recently aired a talk on VEGAN CATS.

The link to the recorded talk to listen to is on this page with after dinner and pre talk comments ...

http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Nation_Radio_Vegan_Cats.html

some of the 20 year old Vegan cats mentioned also on this page....

http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Cats_List_Examples.html

General links to expert vets etc on this page.

http://vegan-information.com/Vegan_Dogs_and_Cats.html

Direct link to Andrew Knight highly qualified expert in Cat and Dog nutrition provides many scientific reports and finding here....
http://www.vegepets.info/

Dr Armaiti May also a highly qualified USA vet nutrition expert videos and webpages available links provided on information links provided here and on youtube also.

Evolution in USA have been providing healthy vegan petfoods for 30 years now in 2018.
https://www.evolutiondietstore.com/...38DC01B4CE53CF9D.p3plqscsfapp003?categoryId=5

Benevo in the UK have been providing healthy vegan petfoods for cats dogs ferrets also for years now.
https://veggiepets.com/

Ami in Italy, Yarrah in the Netherlands....Spain....All over the world now we have vegan health petfoods available to us. VEGUSTO a Switzerland based company also...Evolution. https://www.vegusto.ch/product_details/146

We can make our own home made with Compassion Circle kitten, Puppy as well as Adult Dogs Cats Ferrets foods recipes.
https://compassioncircle.com/cats/

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Where to find more information about vegetarian/vegan issues for Cats and Dogs... www.vegepets.com is suggested as the best informative scientific source of both Studies done and Explanations and World Wide Suppliers of such petfoods. Dr Knight a highly awarded British and Australian Vet Expert in Nutrition and Animal Ethics Professor in 2018 currently at Southampton University is INDEPENDENT. www.vegepets.com website and Youtube Video explanations ...of Dr Knight and Dr Armaiti May nutrition Vet Experts... Dr Armaiti May also a highly qualified USA vet nutrition expert videos and webpages available links provided on information links provided here and on youtube also. VEGUSTO a Swiss Vegan Food supplier recorded Youtube video interviews with Dr Knight. ...video links not always in list here correctly ascribed to the right video but hey it takes time to do. Is it unnatural for cats and dogs to be on a vegetarian or vegan diet?

The health benefits of cats and dogs being on vegan diets

The health risks of meat animal flesh diets.

How much food to give to your cat or dog?

Why do people choose vegetarian diets for their cats and dogs?

What scientific evidence is there to show that cats and dogs are… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbplp2XjfMo Has there been a rise in diseases like cancers in cats and dogs over the… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxSlwJ9YWmc What are the hazards associated with meat based diets for animals? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWoNOMVnZ6E Can cats and dogs safely go vegetarian and what are the… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3vwfrbvx4 Are there health risks associated with vegetarian diets for cats and dogs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUtKpAMIxo Fascinating true story about the famous little Tyke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJS...0Qcs5c_GB8XnKrd8LaxJbfRcBVgJR9n0sToPElP-JOJLQ Dr. Armaiti May- Vegan Vet talks VEGAN DIETS for dogs, cats, pets!… Vegan Dogs and Cats https://youtu.be/bT_Af1-xItQ https://vimeo.com/24452300 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlhdIfM4xGw https://youtu.be/qlUtKpAMIxo

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Where to find more information about vegetarian/vegan issues for Cats and Dogs... www.vegepets.com is suggested as the best informative scientific source of both Studies done and Explanations and World Wide Suppliers of such petfoods. Dr Knight a highly awarded British and Australian Vet Expert in Nutrition and Animal Ethics Professor in 2018 currently at Southampton University is INDEPENDENT. www.vegepets.com website and Youtube Video explanations ...of Dr Knight and Dr Armaiti May nutrition Vet Experts... Dr Armaiti May also a highly qualified USA vet nutrition expert videos and webpages available links provided on information links provided here and on youtube also. VEGUSTO a Swiss Vegan Food supplier recorded Youtube video interviews with Dr Knight. ...video links not always in list here correctly ascribed to the right video but hey it takes time to do. Is it unnatural for cats and dogs to be on a vegetarian or vegan diet?

The health benefits of cats and dogs being on vegan diets

The health risks of meat animal flesh diets.

How much food to give to your cat or dog?

Why do people choose vegetarian diets for their cats and dogs?

What scientific evidence is there to show that cats and dogs are… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbplp2XjfMo Has there been a rise in diseases like cancers in cats and dogs over the… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxSlwJ9YWmc What are the hazards associated with meat based diets for animals? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWoNOMVnZ6E Can cats and dogs safely go vegetarian and what are the… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3vwfrbvx4 Are there health risks associated with vegetarian diets for cats and dogs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUtKpAMIxo Fascinating true story about the famous little Tyke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJS...0Qcs5c_GB8XnKrd8LaxJbfRcBVgJR9n0sToPElP-JOJLQ Dr. Armaiti May- Vegan Vet talks VEGAN DIETS for dogs, cats, pets!… Vegan Dogs and Cats https://youtu.be/bT_Af1-xItQ https://vimeo.com/24452300 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlhdIfM4xGw https://youtu.be/qlUtKpAMIxo

 

[Vegan Dogs]

FREE vegan dog talks by world experts coming up...register to listen in March 2019.

https://www.plantpowereddogfoodsummit.com/

Andrew Knight
February 18 ·

Calling all dog lovers! Do you wish you could feed your dog delicious, nutritious meals WITHOUT meat and other animal products? Are you wondering if your dog can thrive on a well-balanced plant-based diet? The answer is YES!

Join ME and 16 other experts as we show you how at the first Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit—streaming online at NO CHARGE March 12—19.

Each day is packed with must-know information, including shocking facts about the animal agriculture and pet food industries that may be harming your dog, which foods really promote cancer and which foods prevent it, delicious plant-based meals you can prepare at home, how to select a commercial vegan dog food, how increase your dog’s health and longevity with compassion for all animals + much more!

Sign up for the Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit and gain the knowledge and confidence to raise a thriving plant-powered dog!

Register today before time runs out! link to https://www.plantpowereddogfoodsummit.com/

Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit—streaming online at NO CHARGE March 12—19.

Health benefits remedies and dog food content horrors toxins etc discussions recalls recently of masses of standard and prescription dog foods in the news...all standard remedies for most dog health issues are VEGAN ones so learn more about it !

What is REALLY in dog food reminders ! Bramble a Welsh Border Collie sheepdog from a rescue in Wales who died in the 1970's lived healthily for 25 years on home made then full of organic home grown goodness vegetables and herbs and plants diet ! Anne Heritage had several other dogs who lived similar long lives on their Vegan dog foods Vets Nutritionists Experts talks explain the hows and whys.

17 World Experts on Dog Nutrition speaking for FREE one of them British International Highly Awarded Vet Professor now at a British University Winchester Dr Andrew Knight Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA.....see who else list in link in comment below...

ps one website of Dr Andrew Knights is www.vegepets.com

 

[Vegan Dogs]

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https://www.plantpowereddogfoodsummit.com/

Andrew Knight
February 18 ·

Calling all dog lovers! Do you wish you could feed your dog delicious, nutritious meals WITHOUT meat and other animal products? Are you wondering if your dog can thrive on a well-balanced plant-based diet? The answer is YES!

Join ME and 16 other experts as we show you how at the first Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit—streaming online at NO CHARGE March 12—19.

Each day is packed with must-know information, including shocking facts about the animal agriculture and pet food industries that may be harming your dog, which foods really promote cancer and which foods prevent it, delicious plant-based meals you can prepare at home, how to select a commercial vegan dog food, how increase your dog’s health and longevity with compassion for all animals + much more!

Sign up for the Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit and gain the knowledge and confidence to raise a thriving plant-powered dog!

Register today before time runs out! link to https://www.plantpowereddogfoodsummit.com/

Plant-Powered Dog Food Summit—streaming online at NO CHARGE March 12—19.

Health benefits remedies and dog food content horrors toxins etc discussions recalls recently of masses of standard and prescription dog foods in the news...all standard remedies for most dog health issues are VEGAN ones so learn more about it !

What is REALLY in dog food reminders ! Bramble a Welsh Border Collie sheepdog from a rescue in Wales who died in the 1970's lived healthily for 25 years on home made then full of organic home grown goodness vegetables and herbs and plants diet ! Anne Heritage had several other dogs who lived similar long lives on their Vegan dog foods Vets Nutritionists Experts talks explain the hows and whys.

17 World Experts on Dog Nutrition speaking for FREE one of them British International Highly Awarded Vet Professor now at a British University Winchester Dr Andrew Knight Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA.....see who else list in link in comment below...

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ps I updated the PRE talks comments here for those not on facebook...http://www.vegan-information.com/Vegan_Plant_Powered_Veggie_Food_Dogs_Petfood_Experts_Summit.htm

and on a word document with all the pictures not on the webpage...

http://vegan-information.com/Sonja Visscher lecture dr knight vegan dogs thread spat.docx

 

[Hazelsqueak]

My dogs get Honest Kitchen base mix and Walk About Vegan dry dog food. And I like the Halo vegan dog treats. One of my dogs is sensitive to soy, so I have to be careful or else I will be cleaning up a lake of diarrhea.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

My dogs get fresh meat mixed and also eat veggies. Vegan diet for your pet done wrong can do alot of damage. There are alot of things to consider, not just give them a vegan kibble. Everyones own choice, i find the diet my dogs are on is the most healthy for them.

Firstly making statements that a vegan balanced nutritionist prepared diet for dogs and cats does harm without supporting evidence is not valid.

2ndly there are millions of healthy long lived vegan cats and dogs around now since years. Several cats over 20 years old currently thriving Bramble dog famous lived 25 years healthy vegan fed and several of her companion dogs similar long healthy lives. For decades peasants fed dogs veggie slops and they thrived.

3rdly The 1st principle of Veganism is..."animals are not ours to use" so one is not vegan if not respecting that basic principle.

4thly Animals are not "meat" they have names.

5th Let no one talk about "lack of choice" of what to eat about a pet dog or cat when not also recognising the very obvious but ignored "lack of choice to die" of the victims that humans "unnaturally" breed and kill.

pictures of...2 uk 20 year old cats...the black one Celine in her 21st year currently both tested very healthy several times in their lives...fed vegan commercial kibble.

My dogs hyper energy needs ages now 9 and 8. No issue of "where do their get their protein"

Meat is not a scientific word..."nutrients" is. That is what any animal needs to thrive.

www.vegepets.com for education needs.

Animals are not ours...so it is not vegan to use and kill them. It is very simple. There is nothing natural about a hairless ape human keeping a non human animal for their entire lives...this is not what happens in nature.

 

[Blissful]

Cats are true carnivores , and they will suffer nutritionally if they don't have this diet that they are built for .. It is not right to impose your choices on an animal that is under your care . Our duty to animals is to look after them as nature intended , as much as possible .
Dogs are omnivores , but their systems still need animal flesh and bones. I have studied canine nutrition , and they do well on some semi-cooked vegetables with their meat , and some raw egg , and a small amount of fruit like berries .. In nature , as wild dogs , they would eat , say , a rabbit with semi-digested greens in it's belly , and they would eat eggs if they found them , along with berries , etc..

When l had dogs , they also had raw carrot sticks , which they loved . ( most of them) I fed them bones , too , as well as meat- hard as it was , l knew that if l chose to keep dogs , the only right thing to do by them was to feed them what they would choose and what their bodies need . Dogs require bones to keep their teeth , gums and intestines healthy .. ( The bones do have to be appropriate to the dogs size , etc)

Never feed your dog onions , grapes or chocolate ... or any human junk food ..There are too many fat dogs out there with serious dental disease , and even diabetes from being fed sugary things ..

What you do with your own body is your business , but what you do with your pets is entirely different .. Responsibility - educate yourself as to their nutritional needs please .

Blessings to all . xo

 

[Hazelsqueak]

I would not feed a cat a vegan diet but I'm allergic to cats so I will never have one as a pet. I think most dogs can be vegan because they are not as picky about what they eat. As long as they enjoy their food and are not malnourished then what's the problem? Mine get the Honest Kitchen base mixes and Walk About kibble. I also give them canned vegetarian dog food and treats. One of my dogs is 11 years old (I got him when he was 1) and he's never had a problem. He's a small breed and hasn't needed a teeth cleaning yet which is amazing. He gets veggie dental chews. My other dog is 8 and he still enjoys going on long bike rides with me. He can outrun most dogs half his age. I also got him when he was 1. I will always rescue dogs because it seems like people only want puppies and then dump them when they are around 1-2 years old.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

Cats are true carnivores , and they will suffer nutritionally if they don't have this diet that they are built for .. It is not right to impose your choices on an animal that is under your care . Our duty to animals is to look after them as nature intended , as much as possible .
Dogs are omnivores , but their systems still need animal flesh and bones. I have studied canine nutrition , and they do well on some semi-cooked vegetables with their meat , and some raw egg , and a small amount of fruit like berries .. In nature , as wild dogs , they would eat , say , a rabbit with semi-digested greens in it's belly , and they would eat eggs if they found them , along with berries , etc..

When l had dogs , they also had raw carrot sticks , which they loved . ( most of them) I fed them bones , too , as well as meat- hard as it was , l knew that if l chose to keep dogs , the only right thing to do by them was to feed them what they would choose and what their bodies need . Dogs require bones to keep their teeth , gums and intestines healthy .. ( The bones do have to be appropriate to the dogs size , etc)

Never feed your dog onions , grapes or chocolate ... or any human junk food ..There are too many fat dogs out there with serious dental disease , and even diabetes from being fed sugary things ..

What you do with your own body is your business , but what you do with your pets is entirely different .. Responsibility - educate yourself as to their nutritional needs please .

Blessings to all . xo

Apart from not being scientifically accurate as the highly awarded Dr Andrew Knight etc are who know all the platitudes but know exactly what nutrients cats and dogs need and that there are healthy 20 vegan fed cats around which prove they thrive and their nutrients are excellent in their expert produced vegan pet foods..

you miss a very important other point...

when you say "what you do with your pets" ....and pls...educate yourself as obviously I have from the experts....

You forget...if you think ANIMALS ARE OURS to use....and see nothing "no vegan" about USING bred by humans animals killed by humans...you ca have "no objection" whatsover to USING a PET animal. All are "just animals" to "use" and if you think using animals is morally justifiable...that no vegan should....then you have no argument to tell others what to kill or eat.

I suggest starting from this EXPERT in animal nutrition ..

Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA

Andrew Knight is a ridiculously busy bloke. He is Professor of Animal Welfare and Ethics, and Founding Director of the Centre for Animal Welfare, at the University of Winchester; a EBVS European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare Science, Ethics and Law; an American and New Zealand Veterinary Specialist in Animal Welfare; a Fellow of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, and a Senior Fellow of the UK Higher Education Academy.

Andrew has over 65 academic publications and a series of YouTube videos on animal issues. These include an extensive series examining the contributions to human healthcare of animal experiments, which formed the basis for his 2010 PhD and his 2011 book The Costs and Benefits of Animal Experiments. Andrew’s other publications have examined the contributions of the livestock sector to climate change, vegetarian companion animal diets, the animal welfare standards of veterinarians, and the latest evidence about animal cognitive and related abilities, and the resultant moral implications. His informational websites include www.AnimalExperiments.info,www.HumaneLearning.info and www.VegePets.info.

Attached are 2 20 year old HEALTHY obviously tested so VEGAN FED CATS. End of proof needs.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

I notice that those "telling" others about their "responsibilities" to pets always never mention ANY responsibility to animals owned by others that they seem happy to kill.

Now what is the basis for this i wonder ? "who" "owns" "what" ? to treat "some" animals as just "fodder" to kill like "things" due to someone "else" owning them ?

Is that the justification ?

Oh well on those grounds...so long as "we" do not "own" the animals we pay to be killed it is ok !

Last i understood vegan principles...it was based on "animals are not ours" to use. So we cannot "use" them when we respect their lives "are not ours" to take. Unless we think animals are just "things" to use.

I have "educated" myself unlike those who have not taken trouble to read the EXPERTS on dog and cat nutrition links provided.

I have vegan dogs vegan cat and turkeys.

So let no one lecture ME about killing them to feed my perfectly healthy vegan dogs and cat.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

taurine is synthetic so vegan...well these qualifications of Professor Dr Andrew Knight Andrew Knight BSc (Vet Biol), BVMS, CertAW, MANZCVS, DipECAWBM (AWSEL), DipACAW, PhD, FRCVS, SFHEA whose website is full of scientific details supporting vegan cat diets ...www.vegepets.com...and...Taurine is synthetic so vegan added to all commercial cat foods since the 1970's lol !

In Summary:

Taurine is IN vegan cat foods.
Vitamin A: is IN vegan cat foods.
Arachidonic Acid: is IN vegan cat foods.
Arginine is IN all vegan cat foods.

Omegas are in the HEALTHY correct ratios in vegan cat foods.
(not an unhealthy ratio of up to 40:1 in farm animal flesh rather than healthy maximum of 10:1)

Fats and Proteins are in the HEALTHY correct quantities in vegan cat foods.
(not DOUBLE the healthy fat levels in farm animal flesh)

Vitamins minerals calcium etc are in the HEALTHY correct quantities in vegan cat foods.

AAFCO standards are EXCEEDED by vegan cat foods. (aafco Is the government authority who issues the guidelines on pet foods in the USA)

No antibiotics…no euthanasia drugs…no plastics (common in fish) no toxins like mercury (common in fish) no antibiotics (standard in farmed animals 70% of the world’s antibiotics are forced into farm animals just to keep them alive chicken the most.) No euthanised dead rescue dogs and cats or horses. No below human grade diseased sick and died before intended slaughter ingredients (standard in other pet foods)

No bred to suffer and forced to die animals.
Particularly the 6 billion suffocated to death 1 day old male chicks of the egg industry labelled as “chicken”

No contributing to the 70 billion USD per year pet food animal based business.

No contributing to pet food based on animal protein content being the 5th largest population in the world if pets were a continent.

Less risk than wild lion species cats of kidney diseases that those species on their raw flesh diets get at the rate of 74% of compared to 30% of domestic pet cats on average.. (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0300985810382089)

Vegan cat foods have been around now in 2019 for 33 years. They have proven themselves. Cats would have died in their hundreds of thousands if not by now due to inadequate diets. All of them are LEGAL and “species appropriate” by law for digestibility etc labelling laws of pet foods.

What’s not to like in all that ? .
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VEGAN cat foods are MORE certain of providing the necessary TAURINE, VITAMIN A, ARGININE, ARACHIDONIC ACID….CORRECT ratios of OMEGA 3 and FATS that are HEALTHIER than farm flesh EXCESSIVELY high levels which are UNHEALTHY for cats than farm animal flesh.
We are talking…OMEGA 6 Ratios of unhealthy 40:1 to Omega 3 the HEART health omega.
We are talking…DOUBLE the FATS of saturated animal fats of wild animal flesh that are also heart unhealthy.

FARM ANIMAL FLESH is higher than WILD animal flesh in Omega 6 due to the high omega 6 plant feed farm animals are fed !
They are also double the FAT levels of WILD animal flesh as that is how they are bred

 

[FredVegrox]

Cats are true carnivores , and they will suffer nutritionally if they don't have this diet that they are built for .. It is not right to impose your choices on an animal that is under your care . Our duty to animals is to look after them as nature intended , as much as possible .

If we are talking about veganism, as this is the Vegan Forum, it is not vegan to get an animal to care for that they see has to be a carnivore. A true carnivore is a predator in nature. That is what any true carnivore should be left to do. Such should not be for a human caretaker to be feeding, and that would not be vegan. But there are healthy vegan foods for cats, to appeal to them. If any can choose the brands they feed the cats they care for, those saying they go vegan can choose the healthy vegan food for cats, and they would be vegan still with that. If one can't do that, because they are true carnivores, why not let them go be the true predators that means, out in nature, instead of contributing to the pay of those slaughtering animals that are never prey for them.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

wow...that is the first time i have seen such an excellent response on this subject that actually i have never thought to state that way myself.

So so true. thank you.

I just share something posted in my Vegan Cats facebook group....yes were are many.

It is clear on this what the issue is...

Hope this Bingo board does not challenge too many here lol !

The Vegan Apologist's Bingo Board !

I love the "baby steps" central piece...(whilst killing babies)

In the case of pet foods...8 billion male 1 day old baby chicks are suffocated to death in the egg industry to be used for huge profit as pet food. A 70 billion USD dollar per year industry that is ...the pet food industry.

 

[FredVegrox]

wow...that is the first time i have seen such an excellent response on this subject that actually i have never thought to state that way myself.

So so true. thank you.

I just share something posted in my Vegan Cats facebook group....yes were are many.

It is clear on this what the issue is...

Hope this Bingo board does not challenge too many here lol !

The Vegan Apologist's Bingo Board !

I love the "baby steps" central piece...(whilst killing babies)

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I don't know for sure that vegans can play this bingo. Or is it called out randomly with people having their differently marked bingo cards for that? If it is just with people using squares that apply to them and I tried I would not have any of those squares. But maybe what is being said is that there are vegans saying things shown here. These things conflict with veganism though.

 

[FredVegrox]

I guess any of us could play it still, there would be a way one way or another. I wouldn't be hard on those not fully coming to veganism right away. It was years ago, but I didn't do so right away. I was vegetarian first for years, not knowing good reason to be vegan, just glad to not be involved in the harm to animals as it wasn't necessary, and I knew then that having meat did not help in being healthier. But I did learn there was the harm to animals in dairy and egg industries, and saw then there was good reason to be vegan. Unfortunately I went through really bad tough times, and had to get help with food provided. It wasn't vegan and I was compromising, until I found away around that to not get animal products. I am not proud of that, but came still to be vegan and not go back. It was experience that gives me perspective which is why I say it here. When it is possible to choose to not contribute to harm to animals, choose that. Some can't choose. In the context of the subject of this thread, animals cared for as pets can't choose in that way. But those taking care of pets they choose do have such choice they can make. If they choose animals to care for that they believe must be fed meat which then would be remains of slaughtered animals in the animal agricultural industry that demand from humans keeps going, that is not vegan because there's choice that is available for that. An animal that can only just eat meat should be left to be a predator in the natural environment for them, and not be chosen by one who would say they are vegan, who will get meat from animals for their food, those animals aren't ever prey to such an animal being cared for, anyway. But discussion here and many other places shows that there is vegan food for cats that have the nutrients cats need, such would need to be chosen for a cat if a cat was chosen for a pet and the owner will claim to be vegan, and would still really be vegan. The choice is definitely there. I can just excuse those who really have no choice in their circumstance. After all, not every Eskimo can just go vegan.

 

[Jaydoesitgood]

Ive done a reasonable amount of research on this topic and Im pretty sure the general answer is:
Dogs - Can thrive on a vegan diet with Vet supervision and dont have any need for a prescription diet.
Cats - Not a good idea

 

[Wifeymommaboss]

The matter is very simple. MINIMAL HARM is the primary vegan principle.

So what is least harm ? to BREED and KILL 1000 rabbits/chickens to feed 1 pet cat ? who as proven thrives on vegan food ? or feed Vegan and save 1000 lives ? no contest.

Pet cats are ALIVE thanks to VEGAN essentials in their petfood. all arguments about fantasies are irrelevant compared to that FACT

TAURINE, VITAMIN A and ARGININE are synthetic so VEGAN anyway in all supplements and in all commercial quantified ingredients. THESE are the essentials a cat species needs to even LIVE...without arginine a cat can die in 1 day. ALL PETFOODS have these as Synthetic so VEGAN as standard in all petfoods that quantify those nutrients in the petfoods sold.

http://www.vegepets.info/ has links to all the approved passing ALL nutrients needed for species of dogs cats ferrets petfood suppliers of Vegan Petfoods.

Summary of the main arguments against vegan fed cats...

1. FORCING an animal to eat (putting food in a bowl is not force feeding)

2. AGAINST NATURE (owning an animal and another species feeding it is unnatural)

3. CATS WILL DIE THIS CAT IS AN EXCEPTION (cats are cats biologically the same no cat not getting the nutrients needed for life itself would survive)

4. CATS NEED MEAT (cats need nutrients that are NOT in the MEAT in petfoods like Taurine and VitA, Arginine due to cooking destroying those and synthetic vegan supplements are added as standard to all petfoods so cats are alive thanks to vegan essential nutrients, raw feeding experts all recommend adding the synthetic supplement Taurine)

5. Cats hunt have teeth sizes to tear flesh (kibble modern petfood is hardly tear it up to eat it material and cats do not fish fish are actually unhealthy toxic to cats per any cat nutrition expert)

6. PROTEIN is digestible proven from plant sources by cats.

Animal petfood protein is the 5th largest continent. the real wildlife of this world has had its habitats destroyed by animal agriculture growing 1000 times more plants to simply process them via animal flesh for nutrients already there.

TAURINE, VITAMIN A and ARGININE are synthetic so VEGAN anyway in all supplements and in all commercial quantified ingredients. THESE are the essentials a cat species needs to even LIVE...without arginine a cat can die in 1 day. ALL PETFOODS have these as Synthetic so VEGAN as standard in all petfoods that quantify those nutrients in the petfoods sold.



LIONS and TIGERS are practically EXTINCT today due to animal agriculture the main cause of their loss of habitats growing 1000 times more plants to feed farmed killed animals. 26 states of Africa have no more lions at all...only 20 thousand lions remain in the world and less than 4 thousand tigers. There are more domestic pet cats in 1 city than the entire world population of lions and tigers.

We should not have carnivorous pets then. We should have left them in the wild like all the other wild animals. Humans are all to accustom to just taking what they want out of comfort despite the animals wants and desires.

 

[Vegan Dogs]

We should not have carnivorous pets then. We should have left them in the wild like all the other wild animals. Humans are all to accustom to just taking what they want out of comfort despite the animals wants and desires.

so i set loose my vegan healthy cat to die or get splatted on the road ?

suggest that is a ridiculous suggestion

There are 20 year old healthy vegan cats around. my vegan fed cat is fine.

so no i will not take your advice or someone elsewhere who told me to "euthanise" my heallthy vegan cat so suit fantasies of feral cats getting killed and starving dying of diseases as 70 percent of them do.

I feed my healthy vegan cat legal approved scientifically complete nutrition. vegan cat food.