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I've thought this too, the people voting for him absolutely deserve him as a president. Unfortunately, when things don't turn out as they expected they'll just blame someone else for it (Congress stood in the way, the Democrats sabotaged things, etc), and continue living in their conspiracy filled world while the rest of us suffer.

Yes, I agree, with my rational mind; I just get really fed up sometimes.

I really do think that a Trump candidacy would be catastrophic for the country and the world. There is a reason that ISIL is strongly hoping that he is elected, for one.
 
I don't have a causal relation, that is simply what I was told by my FIL who got the information from the doctor.

What's really disturbing is that you will deny that there is any issue even when it's staring you in the face. the emails..she lied. No she wasn't convicted, but that may have to do more with political connections than anything else. Further she is careless with confidential data. And just because other politicians may have made the same mistake, doesn't make justify her actions.

Now we find that she's on blood thinners. What are the underlying cause of needing blood thinners?..stroke, heart attack, blood clots, etc. Blood thinners are not given to healthy people.... Perhaps webMD is more to your liking?
Warfarin and Other Blood Thinners for Heart Disease

She's far from perfect.. Yes, she is better than the alternative, but aren't you sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils?

I bring up articles on Hilary, because I see so many starry eyed people treat her like some sort of savior. She's not.

I don't bother with Trump articles that much because his flaws are painfully obvious.

I've never actually spoken with a US citizen who actually trusts her. To my mind she is above the law most probably because of her close ties to Obama. She seems to get away with everything including name calling her opponent's voters. I was appalled by what she said about her fellow Americans.

I would have liked to have seen a woman win the US presidential election. I don't think that she will make a good president because of her track record. I'm sure that we will be further discussing this in November when she is sworn in as America's first woman president.
 
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Donald Trump Jr compares refugees to poisoned Skittles | US news | The Guardian
 

Yeah, even the parent company of Skittles finds that offensive: Skittles Responds to Donald Trump Jr. Comparing Syrian Refugees to Candy

I think there's a fairly clear distinction between those who think that the decision whether or not to eat candy is the same as the decision whether or not to help people who are suffering terribly and those who think that the decisions are not at all analogous.

It seems the Trump apples haven't fallen far from the old tree.

ETA: It appears that he is Donald Jr. in more than name: The 49 Best Tweets From Donald Trump Jr.

ETA: Also enlightening: Donald Trump Jr. is his father’s son (Written by a conservative Republican, BTW.)
 
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I've never actually spoken with a US citizen who actually trusts her. To my mind she is above the law most probably because of her close ties to Obama. She seems to get away with everything including name calling her opponent's voters. I was appalled by what she said about her fellow Americans.

I would have liked to have seen a woman win the US presidential election. I don't think that she will make a good president because of her track record. I'm sure that we will be further discussing this in November when she is sworn in as America's first woman president.

Speaking as a progressive liberal, whether Clinton was ever a part of the equation or not I would argue that whoever were to say it only spoke the truth about Trump voters. Actually no, I'll take it a step further it's not exclusively a Trump thing, we could be speaking about any of the possible Republican candidates' supporters. It's an absolute truth regarding staunch religious conservative Republican voters in America. A lot of them are, in FACT, evangelical bigots, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and YES the list could go on. I don't see this as being petty name calling, this was straight up calling out a good portion of Republican voters for the kind of people they truly are. And hey, no skin off Clinton's nose, these are people who wouldn't vote for a "fag lovin', baby killin', gun hatin', pc libtard" anyway. Her statement got a big amen from me.

If you want to talk about someone being above the law, lets talk about when sitting president George W Bush, and vice president Dick Cheney and cabinet members thought it was a good idea to use a private e-mail server (thousands of e-mails went missing too) and not only did it go unpunished, they also didn't receive even a fraction of the backlash that Clinton has received.
 
Former president George H.W. Bush, a Republican and father of former Republican president George H. Bush and former Republican Florida governor Jeb Bush, none of whom are liked very much by most Democrats, will be voting for dreaded Hillary Clinton and not Republican candidate Donald Trump. It tells you more about Trump than Clinton, but still...she's the wife of the man who beat the elder Bush in the presidential election of 1992.

George H W Bush 'will vote for Hillary Clinton' in unprecedented snub to Republican candidate Donald Trump

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In other news...

Stop Trump's Irish Wall #NatureTrumpsWalls

This man won't stop until he destroys the entire planet for his own selfish gain.
 
Speaking as a progressive liberal, whether Clinton was ever a part of the equation or not I would argue that whoever were to say it only spoke the truth about Trump voters. Actually no, I'll take it a step further it's not exclusively a Trump thing, we could be speaking about any of the possible Republican candidates' supporters. It's an absolute truth regarding staunch religious conservative Republican voters in America. A lot of them are, in FACT, evangelical bigots, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, and YES the list could go on. I don't see this as being petty name calling, this was straight up calling out a good portion of Republican voters for the kind of people they truly are. And hey, no skin off Clinton's nose, these are people who wouldn't vote for a "fag lovin', baby killin', gun hatin', pc libtard" anyway. Her statement got a big amen from me.

If you want to talk about someone being above the law, lets talk about when sitting president George W Bush, and vice president Dick Cheney and cabinet members thought it was a good idea to use a private e-mail server (thousands of e-mails went missing too) and not only did it go unpunished, they also didn't receive even a fraction of the backlash that Clinton has received.

Agreed, 100%.

About an hour south of where I live, there's a large enclave of KKK members and KKK sympathizers that covers the better part of two counties. It's still dangerous for a nonwhite person to drive through that area. One of the rescues that I support has, for years, been smuggling abused animals out of one property where there are literally hundreds of emaciated, parasite laden, sick cats and dogs being kept by a hoarder. The authorities in that county refuse to take any action because the husband is a high ranking KKK member.

I have a friend from my college days who doesn't visit his parents at their retirement home because the area in which they live is too dangerous for an openly gay man.

These people are real, they exist in sizable numbers, and they are augmented by many more who don't take physical action to harm others, but who have the same viewpoints.
 
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Agreed, 100%.

About an hour south of where I live, there's a large enclave of KKK members and KKK sympathizers that covers the better part of two counties. It's still dangerous for a nonwhite person to drive through that area. One of the rescues that I support has, for years, been smuggling abused animals out of one property where there are literally hundreds of emaciated, parasite laden, sick cats and dogs being kept by a hoarder. The authorities in that county refuse to take any action because the husband is a high ranking KKK member.

I have a friend from my college days who doesn't visit his parents at their retirement home because the area in which they live is too dangerous for an openly gay man.

These people are real, they exist in sizable numbers, and they are augmented by many more who don't take physical action to harm others, but who have the same viewpoints.

Oh yeah, I believe it. There are places in the Southern US that pride themselves on being a part of the Republican dominated "Bible Belt" where it's dangerous to be a minority in any sense of the word.
 
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Oh yeah, I believe it. There are places in the Southern US that pride themselves on being a part of the Republican dominated "Bible Belt" where it's dangerous to be a minority in any sense of the word.

And unfortunately, it's not just the deep South. The KKK area I described in my earlier post is in the southern half of Missouri, which is technically the Midwest.

My friend's parents retired to Mississippi.

About a decade ago, a relative was living in Alabama and managing a Burger King in a neighboring town, where no non-white person had ever been allowed to reside. She ended up hiring a young black woman (the first to ever work in the town), and the police were so concerned about that young woman's safety that they provided a police escort for her to and from work every day.

So, yeah, the term "deplorable" fits very well, IMO.
 
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So, Trump has been using his foundation to settle lawsuits brought against him and his businesses: Trump used $258,000 from his charity to settle legal problems

That's in addition to using the foundation to make a $25,000 political contribution to the Florida Attorney General at the time her office was reviewing consumer complaints against Trump U and considering whether Florida should join in one of the class action lawsuits pending against Trump.

For those who don't know, any organization that's tax-exempt under Section 501(c)(3) of the IRS Code is prohibited from making contributions to a political campaign, and is also prohibited from engaging in "private inurement", i.e., the private gain or enrichment of those who run the nonprofit, founded it, work for it, contribute to it, or are related to it in any way.

Trump has already had to pay back to the foundation the $25,000 contributed to the Florida AG, and had to pay a fine for that transaction.

We'll see what the IRS does with these newest payments that have come to light.
 
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More on the "deplorables" epitaph to which some take such umbrage:

One of my friends, a religiously observant Jew, lives in a St. Louis neighborhood that is inhabited largely by professors, lawyers, doctors, etc. He chose his house because it's within walking distance of a temple, since he and his family observe the Sabbath strictly. They've lived there about thirty years now, and he says that it's a rare Sabbath on which derogatory names are not hurled at them from passing cars as they walk to and from temple.

Another friend, born here in the U.S., of Indian born immigrant parents, gets terms like "sand ni**er" yelled at him when he goes jogging.

I could go on with further examples, including the hazards of having an Obama bumper sticker on one's car.
 
More on the "deplorables" epitaph to which some take such umbrage:

One of my friends, a religiously observant Jew, lives in a St. Louis neighborhood that is inhabited largely by professors, lawyers, doctors, etc. He chose his house because it's within walking distance of a temple, since he and his family observe the Sabbath strictly. They've lived there about thirty years now, and he says that it's a rare Sabbath on which derogatory names are not hurled at them from passing cars as they walk to and from temple.

Another friend, born here in the U.S., of Indian born immigrant parents, gets terms like "sand ni**er" yelled at him when he goes jogging.

I could go on with further examples, including the hazards of having an Obama bumper sticker on one's car.
That's beyond awful. I just don't understand why people have so much hate in them.
 
Agreed, 100%.

About an hour south of where I live, there's a large enclave of KKK members and KKK sympathizers that covers the better part of two counties. It's still dangerous for a nonwhite person to drive through that area. One of the rescues that I support has, for years, been smuggling abused animals out of one property where there are literally hundreds of emaciated, parasite laden, sick cats and dogs being kept by a hoarder. The authorities in that county refuse to take any action because the husband is a high ranking KKK member.

I have a friend from my college days who doesn't visit his parents at their retirement home because the area in which they live is too dangerous for an openly gay man.

These people are real, they exist in sizable numbers, and they are augmented by many more who don't take physical action to harm others, but who have the same viewpoints.

I ended up in Arkansas for the longest year of my life which I'm going to blame on being young and stupid. The Ozarks, and much of the small town I was in was beautiful, everything was so green, but the people were the opposite, filled with an unimaginable amount of hate and racism. I had started to write about some of the things I had seen but it's making me sick to my stomach to even think about. I could fill up a book with the things I saw there but I don't think anyone outside of the South would believe them. The education there was atrocious, the teachers I met were uneducated (they misspelled even simple words), taught hate and treated the non-white children like trash in front of the other kids. It's no wonder the kids grow up to be horrible people when they're taught hate at home and at school.

When I escaped back to California, I wanted to get out of the car and kiss the ground, I was so happy to be out of that awful place and away from those disgusting people.
 
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That's beyond awful. I just don't understand why people have so much hate in them.

I'm sixty, and still haven't figured that out.

I grew up in a rural part of Illinois, very (completely) white, and very Republican. Growing up, I used to think that people were bigoted because they didn't know anyone who didn't look and believe the same as they did. I thought that, once people were exposed to people not like themselves, the bigotry would at least diminish, if not disappear altogether.

Then, in my twenties, I spent three years in Boston, and saw firsthand that that was not the case. The racial bigotry was palpable there, in the early eighties. Interracial couples who were bold enough to walk in the Commons together were chased by white mobs.

From there, I came to St. Louis, and in comparison, St. Louis was refreshing, since the bigotry at least didn't manifest itself physically. (Except, of course, by some of the police.)

Where I grew up in Illinois, one can now see an occasional black person, and a few immigrants. However, in the county where I grew up, there are still no Democrats on the ticket for most public offices, and the bigotry is still there. People believe pretty much every thing that is said on right wing radio, and every right wing meme that floats around the internet. It's amazing.
 
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I'm not from the US, obviously, but I have been reading that some people think that what HC said about "deplorables" was elitist and that it means that she doesn't understand the ordinary people.:rolleyes: The wave of populism in politics that we have had in western countries is making outright racist and xenophobic views seem acceptable. If being open-minded and tolerant makes me part of the so-called elites, well, then I am fine with that.

I am really tired and about to go to bed so I hope that makes sense!:D
 
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“Without question these transactions are self dealing,” said Marcus Owens, a lawyer who represents charities and previously ran the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations.

Larry Noble, general counsel of the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center, said is no legal ambiguity unless the Trump campaign can disprove the facts in the Post report.

The campaign did not return a request for comment from The Hill.

In the most expensive example of Trump's alleged “self-dealing,” the Post reported that one of the GOP nominee's golf courses agreed to settle a lawsuit by donating to a charity chosen by the plaintiff. Instead of Trump settling out of his own pocket, he used his charitable foundation to donate the $158,000 owed, according to tax records reported by the Post.

While the statute of limitations had already expired on some of the new allegations, Owens said the “pattern of facts” is so egregious that he believes there are grounds for the IRS to force the Trump Foundation to forfeit 100 percent of its assets to the U.S. Treasury. That rare action involves a section of the Internal Revenue Code that penalizes foundations engaging in willful, repeated or flagrant violations of tax law.

“The Trump Foundation is flirting with what’s called a termination tax,” Owens said. “That is the end of the foundation’s existence as an organization.”

The termination tax is rarely used because "most foundations have the good sense" not to repeatedly use charitable donations to benefit the people running the foundation, he said.

The IRS typically takes many months to act on such cases, but Trump could face more immediate problems with New York’s Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who has opened an investigation into the Trump Foundation. The attorney general’s office declined to comment.

Owens believes Schneiderman already has all the evidence he needs to mount a convincing legal case that Trump and his children must hand over the foundation to receivers “in order to preserve the Foundation’s assets for true charitable uses.”

Scrutiny of Trump Foundation deepens
 
I'm sixty, and still haven't figured that out.

I grew up in a rural part of Illinois, very (completely) white, and very Republican. Growing up, I used to think that people were bigoted because they didn't know anyone who didn't look and believe the same as they did. I thought that, once people were exposed to people not like themselves, the bigotry would at least diminish, if not disappear altogether.

Then, in my twenties, I spent three years in Boston, and saw firsthand that that was not the case. The racial bigotry was palpable there, in the early eighties. Interracial couples who were bold enough to walk in the Commons together were chased by white mobs.

From there, I came to St. Louis, and in comparison, St. Louis was refreshing, since the bigotry at least didn't manifest itself physically. (Except, of course, by some of the police.)

Where I grew up in Illinois, one can now see an occasional black person, and a few immigrants. However, in the county where I grew up, there are still no Democrats on the ticket for most public offices, and the bigotry is still there. People believe pretty much every thing that is said on right wing radio, and every right wing meme that floats around the internet. It's amazing.
Boston was brutal back then, no question. Busing was a huge issue, and there was daily violence related to it. It was an awful time for sure.