jeneticallymodified
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who knows what happens.
honestly i don't have a bloody clue what's happening to me half of the time. and i don't even drink.
who knows what happens.
Yes, but growing up in a box with no mental stimulation does limit your growth and lifespan, which is the only way to keep them safe from all harm.Keeping someone from harm doesn't necessarily limit their growth. In addition, if they are kept from harm, they will probably live longer, not shorter.
Also, I think you Malevolent category should really be "ambivalent".
But anyway, it's just mental acrobatics, because there is no god.
More like:
You have a bunch of puppies. Also you can bend the Universe to your will.
Benevolent GodYou bend the Universe so puppies can run around in peace, don't die, and still have all this room to roam around.
Your using stories from the Bible like the Bible wasn't a series of oral stories, or parables that were written down in a different language from the language they were originally told in, then translated again from crumbling if not almost totally destroyed scrolls. and then greatly edited by the church. It's a study guide, and that's all it is.Malevolent GodOne of the puppies pees on your rug. You kick it out of the house, shoot it in the ribcage, and leave it on the streets. You then say to all the puppies that because one of the puppies peed on the rug, all of them must suffer the inevitability of death, and subject them to all kinds of terrible things. When asked why, you tell everyone that the puppies can't possibly understand the mysterious ways you work because they're dogs and you're a Universe-bending person or whatever. When asked why you didn't just bend the Universe to be kinder to the puppies, or maybe even so the puppies don't pee on the rug in the first place since that is entirely within your ability, you get angry and start raining fire and brimstone from the sky.
There would be much less conflict in this thread if everyone would just agree with everything I say.
I still feel that everything would be much better if everyone just agreed with me.Conflict? This is the tamest religion thread I've ever participated in.
More of my beliefs;My two cents:
Yes I do believe "God" can witness murder. If people claim "God" to be omnipotent ,truly omnipotent, then he/she/it would know everything past, present, and future. Going from that then "God" would have known from the moment he/she/it existed, or at the moment of creation. Also it was "God" who told Abraham to kill his son Issac. As it was "God" who destroyed Sodom & Gommarh, and also flooded the earth.
I personally do question the origins of modern religions. I was not raised in a religious environment per say, but it definitely was not atheist. I do personally believe in some type of supreme underlying force that has allowed everything to be. I don't feel that it is a single being. To me that just doesn't feel right.
When we die we join with the rest of the Universe in a "universal mind" - or what makes us, us (our personality/self) is either deleted or doesn't join with the rest -this is "hell".
Yes, but growing up in a box with no mental stimulation does limit your growth and lifespan, which is the only way to keep them safe from all harm.
And if you've read my prior posts this was pretty much my whole reason why I believe God doesn't keep us safe.
Why (how) would we stop being joined with it by being alive? How would we even know if we have stopped?
You're ignoring the part where I said we were here (alive) to gain knowledge and experience and bring it back to the group mind (God).Why (how) would we stop being joined with it by being alive? How would we even know if we have stopped?
You keep ignoring the part where I say "Suffering is necessary for growth, and that growth is why we're here".But you see, if there were truly a benevolent yet omnipotent God, then it would keep us safe, without limiting our lifespan, or free will. That is well within the power of a being that can literally perform any task. Why invent cell decay? Why have things die if they don't have to? Why let suffering happen when you can bend the laws of the Universe to keep it from happening?
You are looking at this from a point of view where an omnipotent being would be confined to the laws and rules that apply to the Universe as we know it, when a truly omnipotent being would not have to follow these.
And, what I've always wondered most of all, how does one scientifically argue for an immortal soul? The only reason we work is due to a complex series of electrical signals from our brain. If they stop, they stop, and we die. How would they continue after they stop? Do they change state into some kind of pure-energy being, like in Stargate? Do they hook up into the air and fly away like the aliens and the trees in Avatar? I really wish someone would explain a plausible way for the afterlife to occur that doesn't simply rely on "we can't explain it" because if it happens then it can be explained, even if the explanation is bizzare and complicated and defies common sense.
You're ignoring the part where I said we were here (alive) to gain knowledge and experience and bring it back to the group mind (God).
While we existed before our conception, we didn't exist as a definable being. We (our consciousness) didn't exist.
You keep ignoring the part where I say "Suffering is necessary for growth, and that growth is why we're here".
And what's free will good for if your choices are limited to only those that are approved?
Death is a necessary part of the equation also as it is the way we return to God with the knowledge and learning we gained.
Then God should make growth possible without suffering. He is omnipotent after all.
I apologize for being so blunt, but who are you to say what "God" should do?