US Connecticut Shooting

Done one at a time over the course of years. Not 26 at a time over the span of minutes.

Most of the Rwandan genocide was done in a hundred days. Half a million dead by conservative estimates.

Sandy Hook killed 26 people in roughly ten to fifteen minutes. Now imagine a Sandy Hook occuring every six times every hour, for every hour of every day for over three months. That's less than the carnage of the Rwandan genocide.

Genocide is one hell of a thing.
 
The Rwandan genocide was a prime example of mob violence. Mob violence is like a wildfire that burns out of control
 
Another small detail emerged in the course of the interview, this time about Adam Lanza.

Lanza was vegan, according to Hanoman, because he “didn’t want to hurt animals.”

- Salon.

Right or wrong, I'm sure us veg*ns are going to hear this repeated.
 
Today I got the following in an email:

URL: http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html

Friday, December 14, 2012

Thinking the Unthinkable
Liza Long aka The Anarchist Soccer Mom

In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.

“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”

“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid *****. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”

“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid *****. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.

We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he’s in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He’s in a good mood most of the time. But when he’s not, watch out. And it’s impossible to predict what will set him off.

Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district’s most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can’t function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30-1:50 Monday through Friday until they turn 18.

The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, “Look, Mom, I’m really sorry. Can I have video games back today?”

“No way,” I told him. “You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly.”

His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. “Then I’m going to kill myself,” he said. “I’m going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself.”

That was it. After the knife incident, I told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right.

“Where are you taking me?” he said, suddenly worried. “Where are we going?”

“You know where we are going,” I replied.

“No! You can’t do that to me! You’re sending me to hell! You’re sending me straight to hell!”

I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waiving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. “Call the police,” I said. “Hurry.”

Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn’t escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I’m still stronger than he is, but I won’t be for much longer.

The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork—“Were there any difficulties with....at what age did your child....were there any problems with...has your child ever experienced...does your child have....”

At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You’ll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing.

For days, my son insisted that I was lying—that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, “I hate you. And I’m going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here.”

By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I’ve heard those promises for years. I don’t believe them anymore.

On the intake form, under the question, “What are your expectations for treatment?” I wrote, “I need help.”

And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense.

I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am Jason Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map). Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.

When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”

I don’t believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael’s sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population. (http://www.hrw.org/news/2006/09/05/us-number-mentally-ill-prisons-quadrupled)

With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill—Rikers Island, the LA County Jail, and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation’s largest treatment centers in 2011 (http://www.npr.org/2011/09/04/140167676/nations-jails-struggle-with-mentally-ill-prisoners)

No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”

I agree that something must be done. It’s time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That’s the only way our nation can ever truly heal.

God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.
 
I completely disagree. I think it is a small percwntage of people who would kill like that no matter what events have occurred.

Like what? I'm not saying most people would be triggered by a road rage incident, but I think there's a trigger, or a combination of triggers, for almost everyone.

For example, you have children and grandchildren, yes? If you came upon a scene where someone had just done something truly horrific to a child you loved and for whom you were responsible, and you had a gun in your hand, are you absolutely 100% certain you wouldn't use that gun?
 
On NPR today I heard that only 4% of murders are committed by the mentally ill.

One thing that no one seems to be discussing is that we live in a violent culture. Violence is normalized and trivialized here. When the culture one lives in is violent, violence becomes a viable solution to one's problems.

This isn't the same as saying that violent video games or goth music are to blame. I don't believe that for a second.
 
On NPR today I heard that only 4% of murders are committed by the mentally ill.

One thing that no one seems to be discussing is that we live in a violent culture. Violence is normalized and trivialized here. When the culture one lives in is violent, violence becomes a viable solution to one's problems.

This isn't the same as saying that violent video games or goth music are to blame. I don't believe that for a second.

I agree, with the proviso that I don't think violent video games help. Not saying that they're to blame, but I think they may play a role in the normalization of violence.
 
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I agree about the video games. I grew up with video games which had shooting at aliens and spaceships and pixelated baddies in suits etc but they were kind of silly and unrealistic, no matter how much you got into the shooting it didnt resemble reality in the slightest.

Now many video games have you shooting very lifelike people including unarmed women with the aim to get an expensive car, it is like the people are pawns or obstacles rather than just the baddies of many years ago. And women in video games are not like the women in real life, they often have huge chests and tiny little skimpy outfits and it is common for women to be portrayed as prostitutes in some games. Some of these games must be having a pretty weird effect on some people.
 
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When I was in college, a movie came out that had a scene in which someone was shot, and the blast threw the person up against a wall. Now, for those of you who are younger, the sudden violence of that was not something that had been depicted in movies so graphically before that. (At least, not in any of the movies I had seen.)

I remember how shocking that was to me - I felt as though I had seen an actual killing. Over the years since then, I have seen much more graphic depictions of violence, and they had less impact on me. But I know that that scene, which so sickened me, would be considered extremely tame by today's youths and today's standards.

I still don't have a stomach for much violence - scenes in which children, animals, or anyone helpless is victimized evoke a combination or horror and rage in me, even though I know full well that they're fictional, because I know that similar things, and worse, have been done and are done daily. So I avoid movies that have scenes like that. Strangely enough, though, I did end up watching (and enjoying) Kill Bill, which has plenty of blood and gore, but that's because itinvolved the blood and gore of people with whom I didn't sympathize (other than the killing of the woman with the child in the house).
 
We spend our entire lives learning how to go against our instincts. That's what it takes to survive in a civilization based society we weren't meant for. Whether it's putting the food down so we don't get fat, sitting in the office when we want to go out and play, or remaining faithful to a significant other when our hormones are telling us to screw everything in sight. The thought of killing someone might seem repugnant to those who have never crossed that bridge, but rest assured we've crossed many other bridges just like it. We have to in order to survive in this world. We don't have the luxury of being able to blindly follow our intuition the way that every other living thing does. Our success is determined largely by willpower, and willpower means being skilled at doing things that don't intuitively feel right.

Some people might very well have an extremely high threshold, but I've seen enough to believe that almost everyone has a breaking point. And unfortunately for those few that don't, when people turn on each other they're the first to go. Those who think in terms of black or white don't have any more tolerance for grey than they do for each other.
 
That said, I don't think there's a person alive that isn't mentally ill to some degree. Life modifies our minds in ways it wasn't meant to be modified. Not everyone breaks, but everyone changes.
 
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If changing your mental state to adapt to the world around you is mentally ill, anything with a big enough brain to think is mentally ill.
 
Posters favoring no gun regulation have managed to turn this thread from one about guns into a discussion of mental illness, video games, and of all things, the Rwandan genocide.

It's the same tactic used by the NRA and obviously an effective one. Side note. There are roughly as many vegans as NRA members.
 

If video games are so effective at changing people's behavior, the government should subsidize an eat-less-and-exercise-more game. Just think about the benefits to society.

Posters favoring no gun regulation

Where's the poster not favoring gun regulation?

Or did you confuse my objection to knee-jerk and ineffective or illegal legislation with an objection to all regulation?
 
I think the government should have laws and restrictions in place so people can't just act however they want when it can kill other people. When there were drink-driving laws and smoking bans introduced here they were very unpopular with certain people but I think the government had an obligation to step in to prevent unnecessary deaths within society. I think laws can come before cultural change and that public awareness campaigns can influence cultural beliefs although there might be resistance at first.

The thought of killing someone might seem repugnant to those who have never crossed that bridge, but rest assured we've crossed many other bridges just like it. We have to in order to survive in this world. We don't have the luxury of being able to blindly follow our intuition the way that every other living thing does. Our success is determined largely by willpower, and willpower means being skilled at doing things that don't intuitively feel right.

Some people might very well have an extremely high threshold, but I've seen enough to believe that almost everyone has a breaking point.

I agree with this.
 
Most of the Rwandan genocide was done in a hundred days. Half a million dead by conservative estimates.

Sandy Hook killed 26 people in roughly ten to fifteen minutes. Now imagine a Sandy Hook occuring every six times every hour, for every hour of every day for over three months. That's less than the carnage of the Rwandan genocide.

You're leaving out an important factor. Rwanda involved thousands of people committing the genocide. Imagine the carnage with thousands of people armed with guns instead of machetes. That's the point. Guns are a far more effective and efficient means to kill.