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das_nut said:
I'd worry less about the number of kids exposed to second hand smoke and more about the number of kids exposed to vehicle exhaust...

Ironically, riding in a vehicle with a smoker is probably dangerous for the kid - but so is riding in a vehicle with a non-smoker. Automobiles are deadly, folks.
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Totally agree. However if the cars were smoke free it would be far better for everyone.
 
das_nut said:
I'd worry less about the number of kids exposed to second hand smoke and more about the number of kids exposed to vehicle exhaust...

Ironically, riding in a vehicle with a smoker is probably dangerous for the kid - but so is riding in a vehicle with a non-smoker. Automobiles are deadly, folks.
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The point of this potential law has nothing to do with vehicles per se and everything to do with subjecting children to second hand smoke in small enclosed spaces, sometimes over prolonged periods of time.
 
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At £5 a jar I'd just send my kid to school with a jam sandwich.

I think the 'cure' is brilliant though. Having a serious allergy must be a right pain. I'm sure even if they couldnt eat a packet of peanuts, not having to worry about comtamination with the most popular nut would be great.
 
Amy SF said:
Long before indoor smoking was banned in California, there were always smokers who made a conscious choice of avoiding smoking when there were kids nearby, because they knew that it wasn't healthy for the kids to inhale the smoke. They didn't seem to care about the adults, though.
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That was me. In most situations adults have the choice to move or walk away and children don't.
 
Poppy said:
Children are not allowed to buy cigarettes and no one is allowed to smoke in or around schools. But a law against smoking in your car with children inside? Ha! I wouldn't imagine that coming to pass anytime soon. (Of course, I'm in VA, home of Philip Morris)
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They are trying to pass it here. Personally while I think smoking around kids is stupid, you can't pass a law against every dang thing. I think parent education on just how bad it is would do more good.

Eating the typical SAD is bad for kids too. I also know kids who live on nearly all sugar. Are we going to pass laws to stop it all?
 
das_nut said:
I'd worry less about the number of kids exposed to second hand smoke and more about the number of kids exposed to vehicle exhaust...

Ironically, riding in a vehicle with a smoker is probably dangerous for the kid - but so is riding in a vehicle with a non-smoker. Automobiles are deadly, folks.
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Riding in a vehicle when the driver has their mind on their phone conversation and not their driving is probably the most dangerous of all. Driving with a phone implanted in your ear is illegal here as of Jan 1. I still see just as many people doing it and haven't seen 1 cop stop someone for it, even when a cop is in the area.
 
Liz said:
At £5 a jar I'd just send my kid to school with a jam sandwich.
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:p It is expensive but a jar of peanut butter last me ages so I might try this stuff to see what it's like.:)

Wolfie said:
Riding in a vehicle when the driver has their mind on their phone conversation and not their driving is probably the most dangerous of all. Driving with a phone implanted in your ear is illegal here as of Jan 1. I still see just as many people doing it and haven't seen 1 cop stop someone for it, even when a cop is in the area.
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I don't drive but as a pedestrian I see people doing all kinds of dangerous things while driving, talking on their phones, eating, texting, turning around in their seat to tell off their kids.:fp: I also see a lot of women pushing their pushchair into the road whilst on their phone or lighting a cigarette not looking if there is a car coming or not.:argh: When I'm in my mother-in-law's car she screams out the window at people doing stupid or illegal things.
 
Mischief said:
The point of this potential law has nothing to do with vehicles per se and everything to do with subjecting children to second hand smoke in small enclosed spaces, sometimes over prolonged periods of time.
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Seems kind of silly though, when you consider the risks involved.

Exposure to the car is far more likely to kill the kid than secondhand smoke, at least in the US, and I suspect the UK is similar.

In the US, motor vehicles are the leading cause of death for children. Perhaps it's time to pass a law prohibiting unnecessary exposure of children to vehicles?

But I'm looking at this too logically, ain't I? This isn't about really protecting children, is it? It's about feel-good legislation that targets an unpopular group...
 
Moll Flanders said:
I don't drive but as a pedestrian I see people doing all kinds of dangerous things while driving, talking on their phones, eating, texting, turning around in their seat to tell off their kids.
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I know someone who doesn't hesitant to kick in a car's quarter panel when the car cuts them off in a crosswalk.

I can't condone it, but I can understand. The lack of attention drivers pay to their environment is scary as a pedestrian, bicyclist, or motorcyclist.
 
das_nut said:
Seems kind of silly though, when you consider the risks involved.

Exposure to the car is far more likely to kill the kid than secondhand smoke, at least in the US, and I suspect the UK is similar.

In the US, motor vehicles are the leading cause of death for children. Perhaps it's time to pass a law prohibiting unnecessary exposure of children to vehicles?

But I'm looking at this too logically, ain't I? This isn't about really protecting children, is it? It's about feel-good legislation that targets an unpopular group...
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No, I think you're not looking at it logically at all, otherwise you wouldn't be creating a false equivalency between an activity for which there is no necessity at all (smoking) and one for which there is a necessity (transportation).
 
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They should have been fired, after having to apologize to the kids, not rewarded with a paid leave. What horrible people.
(CNN) -- The cafeteria manager and her supervisor at a Utah elementary school have been placed on paid leave while officials investigate how dozens of children had their lunch trays pulled from their hands this week, outraging parents.

"Once our investigation is complete, we will post an update for all concerned," school district spokesman Jason R. Olsen said Friday.

The trays were grabbed from pupils at Uintah Elementary School on Tuesday -- before they could even take a bite -- because they had negative balances in the accounts used to pay for lunches, school officials acknowledged...
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Cafeteria manager, her boss put on paid leave in Utah school lunch uproar

eta: Some stories reported that kids were sharing their lunches with those who had them taken away. I'm glad they have the compassion that the adults seem to be lacking.
 
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Calliegirl said:
They should have been fired, after having to apologize to the kids, not rewarded with a paid leave. What horrible people.

Cafeteria manager, her boss put on paid leave in Utah school lunch uproar

eta: Some stories reported that kids were sharing their lunches with those who had them taken away. I'm glad they have the compassion that the adults seem to be lacking.
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Good for the kids who shared their lunch.

Oh yeah, and throwing away the food is logical, rather than letting the kids eat it. That'll help recoup your losses from the negative accounts. :rolleyes:
 
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