News Plant Based/Vegan

Just looked it up....

This is what I found.
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“Thanks for reaching out! While our products are made with plant-based ingredients and suitable for a plant-based diet, they are not certified vegan. Our mission is to bring better-for-you, more sustainable foods to as many people as possible. We feel that by not labeling the product as “vegan,” we have a better chance of accomplishing our goal.​
Additionally, we’re including some information below about the test we conducted for our mung bean protein.​
Mung bean, the primary ingredient in our JUST Egg, has been in the food system and digested safely by human beings and other species for thousands of years. After ensuring the non-toxic nature of this ingredient, rats were fed mung bean protein and their excrement was analyzed for undigested proteins. No rats were killed to assess digestibility. This test was important in our successful GRAS assessment to use mung bean protein in JUST Egg and other plant-based products.​
For more info on mung bean protein and its potential uses, please take a look at this Food Dive article, Mung bean protein isolate developed by [JUST] gets GRAS status: http://ju.st/fdagras
We also encourage you to take a look at this blog post from the Good Food Institute which digs into the FDA’s testing standards and goals for driving the food system forward: Animal testing and new proteins: Time for FDA to move into the 21st century - The Good Food Institute
 
Would this also be the same for coconut oil not being vegan, apparently it's not that healthy either unless applying it to the skin... and sugar too, I've heard that it's processed using bone char to make it white - even the brown stuff too.
It's mostly in the US, and only cane sugar. Beet sugar is always vegan, organic cane is vegan. Brown sugar is just reg sugar with added molasses, so whatever it comes from is what it is
 
I didn't even know I missed eggs till I tried my first bottle of Just Egg.
I liked Just Egg, I tried copy cat recipes and they weren't near as good. I don't like it enough to buy it, I tried it on sale
Black salt is my favorite, from tofu, potatoes, toast with spread....
 
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No loophole here.

So I wonder what the ramifications are for medication and some cosmetics where the product ingredients have been tested on animals in the past but are not anymore and thus considered ok now for some people.

Playing devils advocate for Just Egg - at least they are NOT marketing their product as vegan as far as I can see. Do they still test on animals - might be worth writing to them?

Same goes for sugar though - even though some of the stuff you get from the packet might be ok for vegans - that doesn't mean that products made with the ingredient are ok (bone char), from my research the only guarantee is to buy processed stuff with the "Certified Vegan" logo as per this website which states that they can certify that no animals ingredients have been used in the products manufacture.

Vegan Certifications, Animal Testing Claims, and more - Double Check Vegan

I'm learning new stuff everyday really and I really would love to go properly WFPB and not buy anything processed - except ready salted crisps :)
I've managed to give up all of the margerine and cheeses because of the palm oil and coconut oils

I'm addicted to chili also but I can just use chili flakes instead of sauces.

@Lou do Tofu scrambles not work for you - using kala namak to mimic the sulphur aroma?

For some reason Lou I missed you're previous post on Just Egg's testing. :-S however just because they weren't killed doesn't make it ok. They've been exploited. Why would they have needed to test ingredients which have been tested in the past and is established in the food system?

Yet another edit after reading the full story on Just Egg - why couldn't they have just tested it on themselves and submitted it to the FDA - surely that's more conclusive proof than to test it on another species. I would have if that was my product. People have been eating mung beans for years. Am I over simplifying?
 
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. Why would they have needed to test ingredients which have been tested in the past and is established in the food system?

why couldn't they have just tested it on themselves and submitted it to the FDA - surely that's more conclusive proof than to test it on another species. I would have if that was my product. People have been eating mung beans for years. Am I over simplifying?

you should read the links that are in my post and the original article. I believe all will be made clear.
. Then if you have any questions or comments.....
 
So I wonder what the ramifications are for medication and some cosmetics where the product ingredients have been tested on animals in the past but are not anymore and thus considered ok now for some people.

Playing devils advocate for Just Egg - at least they are NOT marketing their product as vegan as far as I can see. Do they still test on animals - might be worth writing to them?

Same goes for sugar though - even though some of the stuff you get from the packet might be ok for vegans - that doesn't mean that products made with the ingredient are ok (bone char), from my research the only guarantee is to buy processed stuff with the "Certified Vegan" logo as per this website which states that they can certify that no animals ingredients have been used in the products manufacture.

Vegan Certifications, Animal Testing Claims, and more - Double Check Vegan

I'm learning new stuff everyday really and I really would love to go properly WFPB and not buy anything processed - except ready salted crisps :)
I've managed to give up all of the margerine and cheeses because of the palm oil and coconut oils

I'm addicted to chili also but I can just use chili flakes instead of sauces.

@Lou do Tofu scrambles not work for you - using kala namak to mimic the sulphur aroma?

For some reason Lou I missed you're previous post on Just Egg's testing. :-S however just because they weren't killed doesn't make it ok. They've been exploited. Why would they have needed to test ingredients which have been tested in the past and is established in the food system?

Yet another edit after reading the full story on Just Egg - why couldn't they have just tested it on themselves and submitted it to the FDA - surely that's more conclusive proof than to test it on another species. I would have if that was my product. People have been eating mung beans for years. Am I over simplifying?
Are you in Kent, Ohio? I was thinking the UK and wondering why you're worried about sugar :shrug: . I'm outside of Cleveland!
Again though, beet sugar is always vegan. I get Pioneer. There's a link to what sugar companies use beet or conventional cane if you're interested

It is curious about Just Egg, maybe they imagined a broader audience by not catering to vegans? I seems to have worked, as I've been surprised how may people have tried them, and liked them! I used to buy Just Mayo and was mad when they quit. Now I make my own, so even better
I wasn't an egg fan, but I thought they were good. I do prefer kala namak any day, as weird as that is!
 
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I tried Just Egg only once, and I liked it, but it was too pricey for me to buy on a regular basis. Now I definitely won't be buying it.
 
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From The Times 12/5/22

James Cromwell superglued his hand to the counter of a Starbucks in Manhattan accusing the coffee company of discriminating against customers who prefer plant based milks.
From The Times 12/5/22

James Cromwell superglued his hand to the counter of a Starbucks in Manhattan accusing the coffee company of discriminating against customers who prefer plant based milks.

Cromwell, 82, told supporters from Peta: “Starbucks has admitted that cow’s milk is the company’s biggest contributor to its carbon footprint and agrees that vegan milks are part of the solution. But it still charges for them.”

Cromwell became a vegetarian in 1975 and converted to veganism while filming Babe, in which he played a farmer whose piglet wins a sheep-herding competition.

Roger.
And now...

This has been going on for a while. I remember several petition drives and even one news story where PETA bought shares of Starbucks so they could attend the shareholders meeting and complain in person.

I don't go to Starbucks much anymore but I think my Starbucks Gold Card gets me free plant based milk.
Also in the UK there is no longer an uncharge for plant based milk.
 
@Chryssie I remember "Vegelicious" (I think it was called?), a powdered milk substitute that tasted a lot like I remember milk tasting. It wasn't very close to dairy milk in some nutrients, like protein, but it was fortified with things such as calcium and vitamin B-12. I'm pretty sure it isn't manufactured anymore.
 
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The Dairy industry has too much power, imagine calling soymilk 'soy water beverage' or something. 😝
I use Earth Balance, because it is the vegan butter that tastes most like real margarine or butter to me. Ever try Country Crock 'Vegan Butter?' It may as well be mayonnaise.

If anyone knows of margarine that does NOT contain dairy or cholecalciferol or something, I mean, let me know. At $6 a box, I would gladly trade the Earth Balance for some yummy trans-fatty acids- 🤷🏻‍♂️