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Emma JC said:
sorry Brian, your answer rubs me the wrong way .... what would you prefer? that the information does not get out there? I don't think any of the individual food items, say Big Kale, have the money to do these types of studies and even then would you say they are biased?

everyone has biases and we know the dairy/beef/etc industries fund studies, it is just important to know that clearly when reading them

the health care system profits on keeping people sick so even they wouldn't necessarily fund a study

that's why documentaries like You Are What You Eat are so important ...

Emma JC
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(bold emphasis mine) I know various segments of the food industry fund studies and publicize the results (when the results put their "product" in a favorable light). But it's more than a little scary to think that those in the health care industry (and it is an industry) would knowingly fail to fund a study if it was thought that people would then take better care of themselves, and need less high- tech (and profitable/expensive!) medical treatment.

(I put "product" in quotes because, like most here, I don't see animals' flesh or their bodily secretions in that way)
 
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Brian W said:
This rubs me the wrong way. It is the most absurd conspiracy theory I have ever come across. It makes flat Earth look half sensible.
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Perhaps @Emma JC could have stated that differently - or even better buy her sentiment is FAR from absurd.

Gee the idea that a government agency or a corporation not doing the right thing for profit is certainly not unheard of. in fact it might happen more often than not.

Have you ever noticed how cloudy the science is on things like fat, salt, sugar? or how about eggs and dairy.? meat?

the thing that immediately comes to mind is that scene in the move What the Health!, where Kip tries to interview one of the big wigs at the the American Diabetes Association. And it's almost comical how much the Guy does not want to say meat is not good for diabetics. Turns out the ADA is funded by the Livestock industry.
 
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I just went to the American Diabetes Association's website. They have several different levels of corporate sponsorship, but I couldn't find any livestock industries listed. I'll go look again... but you know a weird thing?... The Idaho Potato Commission IS. From ADA's listing of their corporate sponsors on the ADA website National Sponsors | ADA :

The Idaho Potato Commission is a proud supporter of the American Diabetes Association (ADA) and participant in the Better Choices for Life Program. Together, the Idaho Potato Commission and the ADA will enhance the understanding of nutrition and how potatoes can be part of a healthy eating plan for people with, or at risk for, diabetes. Idaho Potatoes can be a nutritious and healthy source of carbohydrates when service size and preparation recommendations are followed. Fresh Idaho Potatoes are the first starchy vegetable to meet the ADA’s Better Choices for Life guidelines.

My blood test last year indicated I was pre-diabetic; I'm trying to adjust my diet, avoiding a large meal of carbs if I'm not going to be physically active. My diet is still high-carb; I'm waiting for the results from my checkup yesterday, which included a blood sample. I don't think my blood glucose levels were that high, considering that they weren't fasting blood levels (at least, I wasn't required to fast beforehand this time). But the HbA1c(sp?) was borderline / high normal. I love potatoes- always have- but I'll need to cut back on them.

ETA: Yep- I couldn't find any obviously livestock-industry-related sponsors on ADA's website. Weight Watchers and Splenda were- but that makes sense: as I understand it, diabetics need to avoid or seriously limit their sugar consumption (so Splenda would probably have many potential customers in the Diabetic community). And being overweight is a known risk factor for Type 2 Diabetes, so Weight Watchers and ADA have similar goals.

Maybe it's a significant difference that ADA and WW are non-profit entities (I think)?
 
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Brian W said:
This rubs me the wrong way. It is the most absurd conspiracy theory I have ever come across. It makes flat Earth look half sensible.
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Being in the USA I can say her statement is quite valid!!!
When research proves benefits of plant based diets they will twist them as being untenable
 
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Tom L. said:
My blood test last year indicated I was pre-diabetic; I'm trying to adjust my diet, avoiding a large meal of carbs if I'm not going to be physically active. My diet is still high-carb; I'm waiting for the results from my checkup yesterday, which included a blood sample. I don't think my blood glucose levels were that high, considering that they weren't fasting blood levels (at least, I wasn't required to fast beforehand this time). But the HbA1c(sp?) was borderline / high normal. I love potatoes- always have- but I'll need to cut back on them.
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question: what do you put on the potatoes that you eat?

Type II diabetes is not caused by carbs/starches, it is caused by high levels of fats in the cells of the body that blocks the insulin from doing its work.

Emma JC
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Emma JC said:
question: what do you put on the potatoes that you eat?

Type II diabetes is not caused by carbs/starches, it is caused by high levels of fats in the cells of the body that blocks the insulin from doing its work.

Emma JC
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A drizzle of vegetable oil- but I'm careful not to go overboard. It won't matter if I fail to control my weight from eating too much fat or too much carbs- I'll still be at risk for developing insulin resistance (a precursor to Type 2) either way. So far I've been doing well at controlling my weight, but my diet is carb-centric. As I understand it, starches in legumes are absorbed more slowly than starches in grains or potatoes, as a rule (and are absorbed MUCH more slowly than sugar).

I read someplace that potato starches are very absorbable when the potato is first cooked- but as they cool, they change to a more slowly-absorbed form. I'll have to check this out more thoroughly.
 
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Tom L. said:
A drizzle of vegetable oil- but I'm careful not to go overboard. It won't matter if I fail to control my weight from eating too much fat or too much carbs- I'll still be at risk for developing insulin resistance (a precursor to Type 2) either way. So far I've been doing well at controlling my weight, but my diet is carb-centric. As I understand it, starches in legumes are absorbed more slowly than starches in grains or potatoes, as a rule (and are absorbed MUCH more slowly than sugar).

I read someplace that potato starches are very absorbable when the potato is first cooked- but as they cool, they change to a more slowly-absorbed form. I'll have to check this out more thoroughly.
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You may find this helpful-

second meal effect | Health Topics | NutritionFacts.org

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