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And how dreadful it must have been.

(I'm being serious by the way - down forever with that attitude that social media is somehow lesser than what came before it and isn't a massive improvement simply because nostalgia)

It wasn't dreadful - because we didn't know any better. People made due with the technology that was available at the time. The advantages of social media are numerous - but IMHO they have in many ways cheapened relationships between individuals. It takes time and energy to write a hand-written letter - it's not something you can crank out on email in the 5 minutes of downtime you have at work. I always added artwork into my letters and gave my handwriting special artistic flair. I remember my sister wrote me letters from college when I was a kid and she used different colored ink pens for each word. Those are the kind of personal touches that people get nostalgic about - and I don't blame them. When my Mother died I found a cardboard box full of hand-written letters and cards that I had sent her going all the way back to before I was even 10 years old. Sure you can save and file your email letters...but they will just be fonts on a monitor. And I'm glad my Mom had something to hold in her hands and look at.

Electronic devices are awesome - I love them and use them too - but it is different and a lot less personal. And they've also somewhat handicapped us into thinking that we're helpless without them - newsflash: we're not. One day I went to get a haircut and forgot my phone - OMG what if the car breaks down??? How will I remember my next appointment if I don't put it on my e-calendar like right away???? What if my wife wants me to pick up something on the way home???? Well guess what - I survived. And if I broke down I would have survived too. My wife even forgave me for not getting her text message.

I have caught my daughter writing things to people in e-conversations that she would never say in front of them. In some ways it's liberating to be behind a computer and chatting - but in others - it can be extremely detrimental. And e-conversations, posts etc often have a tendency to get taken out of contex. It may be just her shy personality , but from not having any real face time with people - it wasn't until she was 17 that she would even consider ordering for herself at a restaurant - or going to the check-out counter and paying for something without an adult present. That is really weird to me. Hell I was taking the Path train from New Jersey into Times Square all by myself when I was just 13 years old.

I also see that people have a tendency during special events to take more time posting about it in real time than they do just enjoying the freaking event. What is more important? Your experience at (for example) a concert, or all your friends knowing that you're at the concert and now they're playing x song?

I'd wager you have read Asimov's 'The Naked Sun." That's the kind of world I sometimes believe we're headed for: humans so reclusive in their own electronic lives that we only see each other through holographic images - and the thought of actually being in the presence of someone in person is shocking.

I do not destroy your idea that e-conversations are real conversations. I challenge the notion that because they are more convenient that they are better.
 
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It wasn't dreadful - because we didn't know any better. People made due with the technology that was available at the time. The advantages of social media are numerous - but IMHO they have in many ways cheapened relationships between individuals. It takes time and energy to write a hand-written letter - it's not something you can crank out on email in the 5 minutes of downtime you have at work. I always added artwork into my letters and gave my handwriting special artistic flair. I remember my sister wrote me letters from college when I was a kid and she used different colored ink pens for each word. Those are the kind of personal touches that people get nostalgic about - and I don't blame them. When my Mother died I found a cardboard box full of hand-written letters and cards that I had sent her going all the way back to before I was even 10 years old. Sure you can save and file your email letters...but they will just be fonts on a monitor. And I'm glad my Mom had something to hold in her hands and look at.

Eh, I don't know. I think we find new ways to be nostalgic about new things.

And I'm also of the opinion that handwritten notes and letters won't ever die out, and that the two can coexist.

Electronic devices are awesome - I love them and use them too - but it is different and a lot less personal. And they've also somewhat handicapped us into thinking that we're helpless without them - newsflash: we're not. One day I went to get a haircut and forgot my phone - OMG what if the car breaks down??? How will I remember my next appointment if I don't put it on my e-calendar like right away???? What if my wife wants me to pick up something on the way home???? Well guess what - I survived. And if I broke down I would have survived too. My wife even forgave me for not getting her text message.

I have caught my daughter writing things to people in e-conversations that she would never say in front of them. In some ways it's liberating to be behind a computer and chatting - but in others - it can be extremely detrimental. And e-conversations, posts etc often have a tendency to get taken out of contex. It may be just her shy personality , but from not having any real face time with people - it wasn't until she was 17 that she would even consider ordering for herself at a restaurant - or going to the check-out counter and paying for something without an adult present. That is really weird to me. Hell I was taking the Path train from New Jersey into Times Square all by myself when I was just 13 years old.

It's true that they're often less personal, but I don't think this is a bad thing.

And that shyness does sound personality-specific, not necessarily a result of online interactions being a larger focus than IRL ones.

I also see that people have a tendency during special events to take more time posting about it in real time than they do just enjoying the freaking event. What is more important? Your experience at (for example) a concert, or all your friends knowing that you're at the concert and now they're playing x song?

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(Not really a response to the above, more like a "this made me think of a somewhat analogous situation.")

I'd wager you have read Asimov's 'The Naked Sun." That's the kind of world I sometimes believe we're headed for: humans so reclusive in their own electronic lives that we only see each other through holographic images - and the thought of actually being in the presence of someone in person is shocking.

I actually haven't read a lot of Asimov, unfortunately. Maybe I'll... erm, look it up later. :P

I do not destroy your idea that e-conversations are real conversations. I challenge the notion that because they are more convenient that they are better.

I can see where this is coming from, absolutely. And I don't really think they are better. They're not any better or worse.
 
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I have had pictures developed before. The existence of camera phones doesn't mean you can't do that anymore. And you can still laugh about bad photos with your friends, just more immediately.

A conversation over the internet is a real conversation. People you talk to through text and the internet are just as real as anyone you talk to in real life, and the words you say are just as real and important. Destroy the idea that they're not.

Don't get me wrong, I love my digital camera, and being able to take and retake as many pictures as I want. I use to spend a fortune on buying and developing film. But, there is nothing like going on a trip or to an amusement park, dropping off the film when you get back (or finding a roll weeks later that you forgot about), and the anticipation of waiting for them to be done. Rushing down to get them as soon as you hear they're in, usually a week later, and opening the envelope before you even leave the counter because you're so excited. And there's the occasional disappointment of getting back nothing but a roll blurred shapes.

Maybe real wasn't the right word, uninterrupted and/or focused I guess fits better. When I was younger we would walk to the park and hang out there. We had great, uninterrupted/focused conversations. No one was checking their phones to see if they missed a text or a status change on Facebook. There weren't people all around you yapping and yelling into their phones or staring at their screens reading messages, oblivious to the world around them. They were all having conversations with other people, or lying in the grass reading a book, or writing, or playing on the field. It's a shame that world doesn't exist anymore.

I do use social media to keep in touch with family and friends and it can be convenient, but I miss that more relaxed, unconnected world of the past.
 
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I actually haven't read a lot of Asimov, unfortunately. Maybe I'll... erm, look it up later.

Well don't start there. Start with the Foundation trilogy. (There are more than three - but these three are the bomb.) And of course - Asimov's Guide to Earth and Space. Dude. It's on my bookshelf right next to Cosmos. Not technically, but you know what I mean.
 
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In a nutshell, I'm lashing out at the anti-millenial attitude I saw reflected in that infographic. Nothing personal.
do you see that infographic as anti-mellenial?

I don't think the person who made it meant it that way. It looks just like a humorous observation to me.
 
I suppose some people might have complained when letter writing became possible for the general public. Perhaps they said that the kids these days no longer had to meet face to face...
 
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Well don't start there. Start with the Foundation trilogy. (There are more than three - but these three are the bomb.) And of course - Asimov's Guide to Earth and Space. Dude. It's on my bookshelf right next to Cosmos. Not technically, but you know what I mean.

Now the Foundation trilogy, I do have immediate access to. I'm just working my way through a ridiculously lengthy reading list at the moment.

do you see that infographic as anti-mellenial?

I don't think the person who made it meant it that way. It looks just like a humorous observation to me.

Yeah, I was thinking about that earlier, it probably wasn't meant that way. I just tend to get really defensive about that sort of thing.

Not that any of you have noticed that, or anything. :P
 
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Being the age I am, I have the best of both worlds...the memories/nostalgia of how things used to be because I lived them, and still getting to live and benefit in today's technological world. :)
 
Being the age I am, I have the best of both worlds...the memories/nostalgia of how things used to be because I lived them, and still getting to live and benefit in today's technological world. :)
That's the way I feel, too. I embrace the new technology, yet still read books, write letters, and listen to the radio. :) The only thing I miss is a good local newspaper.
 
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