UK Product Thread

What do you two put in your pies? I have some pastry downstairs and some vegan sausage meat and vegan chicken downstairs.
 
Where do you guys stand on Barry M products?
They state Vegan online and have a Naturewatch CF approval.
I prefer things approved by BUAV, is Naturewatch a reputable organisation?

Im just so confused by companies claiming to be CF but not having any reputable approvals...
 
I think Barry M is ok. They say they never have or never will test on animals or use animal ingredients.

I really like their makeup & nail varnishes. They're actually damn nice quality. :)
 
Yeah I had bought some Barry M stuff in the past but when I saw they werent BUAV approved I didnt know what to do. I like Barry M because its cheap eough for me and I can get it in town....decissions!
 
I use things that aren't BUAV approved if the companies have a policy of not testing on animals and not testing ingredients on animals or outsourcing to companies that do. That's good enough for me.

I think that even buying products that haven't been tested on animals from companies that test on animals is consistent with my ethics - such as cotton wool, or pringles, or something. To me it's pretty much morally equivalent from buying apples from the supermarket that profits from selling meat, eggs and dairy (and products that are tested on animals for that matter). It's not something I actually do, because 99% of those cases it's really easy to find alternatives, and those alternatives are usually cheaper - such as own brand products. But it's not something I draw a big moral line at, because to me it's not really any different from all the other companies I buy vegan products from, even though those companies do lots and lots of things I think are unethical.
 
SummerRain said:
I use things that aren't BUAV approved if the companies have a policy of not testing on animals and not testing ingredients on animals or outsourcing to companies that do. That's good enough for me.

I think that even buying products that haven't been tested on animals from companies that test on animals is consistent with my ethics - such as cotton wool, or pringles, or something. To me it's pretty much morally equivalent from buying apples from the supermarket that profits from selling meat, eggs and dairy (and products that are tested on animals for that matter). It's not something I actually do, because 99% of those cases it's really easy to find alternatives, and those alternatives are usually cheaper - such as own brand products. But it's not something I draw a big moral line at, because to me it's not really any different from all the other companies I buy vegan products from, even though those companies do lots and lots of things I think are unethical.
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Dont you worry that they are lying if they have no independent approval. THATS my concern.
 
Googling can usually help.. and from what I see on google, Barry M looks Kosher. I can totally understand why companies don't want to go down the approval route. It's often expensive for them and probably does not bring them much more revenue.
 
No I don't worry about it. I'm not naive enough to think companies don't lie, both generally and about animal testing - but I also don't want to live by the principle that all companies are lying to me. I don't know how big a problem lying about animal testing is, how widespread it is. Some companies might evade the truth, or not respond to emails, but how many flat out lie? You hear about it occasionally, but it's not my understanding that it's a huge problem - that companies continually lie about their practices and get away with it, and if that's the case I think a lot more good is done by supporting companies with policies against animal testing who are telling the truth than avoiding them.
 
L'Oreal do.. I e-mailed them and they said no, we don't do any animal testing. No tricky language or anything, just a flat out denial. But they do.

Google would tell you that too, though.
 
^ I didn't know that, I never bothered to email them. I always use Google/etc as well. I wouldn't have thought they'd get away with that hmm.

ETA: From what I read on Google it seems they test ingredients on animals, and they say they don't test finished products on animals. I don't know though, L'Oreal get a lot of bad press for animal testing so maybe they do do both and it just didn't come up in the few things I read.
 
I've been confused about loreal for ages. They straight up say they don't test on animals & haven't since 1989...but on forums like this they are hated. Are they blatantly lying or what? :s
 
It says here that their ingredients are tested on animals: http://sustainabledevelopment09.loreal.com/innovation/in-close-up-alternative-methods.asp

Naturewatch talk about it here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080602...rewatch.org/shoppingguide/loreal_response.asp

They say that companies can't avoid testing *new* ingredients on animals, but L'Oreal choose to do that, knowing that it will require animal suffering. So whether or not their final products are tested seems immaterial, they are causing avoidable animal suffering and as an ethical veggie, I won't buy from them.
 
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