I also dislike humans making untrue statements, so we have something in common.I understand, but please bear in mind how it comes across asking someone as a matter of course if they are a troll. It's certainly not polite to ask someone "are you a thief" without pretty good grounds, and this is a directly comparable scenario.
It might seem like a minor point, but actually I don't like confrontation at all, and certainly not with selective groups. However, I do try to encourage debate and when anyone - not just a vegan - makes a claim as fact, I am prepared to challenge it. If they cannot back up the claim, I dismiss that claim. If they can back it up, I accept it as a demonstrated fact.
Of course, debates centre around facts and opinion. One is provable and absolute, one is subjective and relies on concensus. I'm well aware of that and challenge accordingly. You claimed a factual link between diet and erectile performance, I challenged that and the evidence falls short of proven fact. If you had claimed it as an opinion and pointed towards two closely linked bodies of evidence (diet vs arterial narrowing and arterial narrowing vs erectile performance), I would have accepted it as a legitimate and valid hypothesis with a high probability of being true. In fact, that is the point the scientific community is at right now.
If you make a claim, expect it to be challenged. If you state an opinion, expect to be able to back it up but be aware the evidential bar is lower.
Yes, veganism is beneficial in many ways. However, stating body odour is one of them is once again no more than opinion. It will change someone's body odour, but whether that is "better" or "worse" will depend on the preferences of the people around them. If we as a species can't agree on whether coriander or garlic are pleasant tastes or not, how can we expect to get universal agreement on a person's scent? Understandably, a lack of washing is pretty commonly recognised, but that's not what we're on about here.
Linking back with my earlier point, ethics and morality are not fact; they are opinion. For something to be held as morally right it is only necessary for the majority of society to agree. Even with a significant minority agreeing, that's grounds enough for robust debate. My requirement for facts to be backed up by evidence doesn't in any way ignore the moral and ethical aspects of an argument and I strongly encourage such aspects to be included.
You know I'm going to challenge this too, especially when arguably the most comprehensively violent and compassionless historical figure ever was largely vegetarian. If there are studies, please provide at least one scientifically reliable example.
What I strongly suspect, but without corroboration, is that many compassionate humans adopt a vegetarian or vegan diet on compassionate grounds, hence a link between diet and compassion. If that's correct, you have your cause and effect round the wrong way.
Of everything you have written, this perhaps gets to the heart of it all. I do not doubt for one moment your emotion, your compassion or (implied) your passion. They are very real strengths and I wouldn't want you to lose any of them. I only disagree with the way you are channelling them.
The suggestion that eating meat is going to somehow emasculate an omnivorous man is clearly a strong piece of ammunition - if it's true. However, if it's challenged and found to be unproven, that man can legitimately discount it. It doesn't matter if it's "probably" true or "might be" true; it'll be discarded out of hand along with all the other "facts" claimed to be true at the same time. That means you have wasted your ammunition.
If, on the other hand, you only claim as fact what can be backed up, the same omnivorous man has no alternative but to either accept or ignore - the former is a win for you, the latter is a fool's way out for him. Either way, your ammunition is not wasted.
You claimed earlier that I am curious. You are right. I have also not come on this forum to argue for or against veganism or any of its related values, but rather to listen to solid argument and to learn. I urge you to throttle back on the unproven claims (or at least include provisos when you do so) because your moral and ethical arguments are not only valid but strong.
I will attempt to channel better and not insult anyone else, I promise. However, it is true that medical scientists are biased
in favor of big business and big animal ag. Some videos/info. are below as examples.
In terms of human body odor you have your opinions. However, cadavers located outside have a noxious odor which is comprised of
cadaverine and putricine (dead animal smells outside in the woods, etcetera. Once you smell it, you know something died). Those stinky
smells are OUTSIDE in the fresh open air.
Humans eat cadavers and they are trapped in the human body for about 4 days, without air, where they rot and stink. And some may ever come out of our body. Very similar to cadaverine and putricine odors. Again, more info below.
Plant foods contain fiber, while animal foods, do not. They act like cement in the human body.
If you think eating cadavers do not make the human body smell, thats' your belief. But ask women and see what they say. Sadly, women get used to those odors as if they are normal. Combine testosterone with cadaver or rotting dairy smells, and, ugh! it is in all of your fluids and body cavities. Its' not just testosterone that often leads to stinky body odor. From my own personal experiences, omnivore women who eat dead animals/dairy/eggs/fishes, no matter what they look like on the outside, how fit they are, how young they are, have putrid and stinky fluid smells. These odors, aroma's, skanky smells, are the result of what they eat.
I was with a friend three years ago and as he was speaking to me, a noxious odor emanated from his mouth. It was gross like a sewer. He was not overweight, did not smoke, drink, eat garlic, coffee, or take drugs and (he was not vegan--not that vegans don't have an aroma). He was in his 50's. I had to back away from him it was that bad.
All this is off-topic but needs to be shared. My links/opinions are not meant to insult anyone or their choices, but we are what we eat. Cheers.
Why Vegetarians Don’t Have To Worry About Bad Breath (colgate manufacturers toothpaste and toohbrushes)
https://foodethics.univie.ac.at/fil...k_wiss_dialog/Potts_2011._Vegan_Sexuality.pdf ( 15 pages to read if interested)