Specieism, racism, and sexism
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kibbleforlola
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Oh yes! Let's play oppression Olympics!
All three are bad, all three are interconnected in a system set up to privalege only a very few. They cannot be ranked, because often they work together. And trying to rank them only further divides marginalized peoples.
All three are bad, all three are interconnected in a system set up to privalege only a very few. They cannot be ranked, because often they work together. And trying to rank them only further divides marginalized peoples.
beancounter
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Different people have different priorities, and trying to squash a discussion before it starts, where people may learn something is, IMO, the wrong way to go.
It's as fruitless as discussing whether the Holocaust or slavery is worse.
There are many vegetarians who could be considered specieist. Specieism by itself doesn't cause problems unless there's actions associated with it.
As it is, speciesism has been a factor involved with far more suffering than the other two and I'm more of an animal person than I am a human person. I'd consider speciesism to be the worst of the three. I'm not sure about the answer to the second question honestly.
As it is, speciesism has been a factor involved with far more suffering than the other two and I'm more of an animal person than I am a human person. I'd consider speciesism to be the worst of the three. I'm not sure about the answer to the second question honestly.
beancounter
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If people can learn something from the discussion, it is not fruitless.
Is the supression of ideas the goal of polical correctness?
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Yeahhhhh...no. Stating that x is more important than y erases the persons who have been affected primarily by y. And vice versa. All it does is create in fighting, instead of actually examining and dismantling the systems themselves. It is the exact opposite of helpful.
And it's not squashing conversation (unless you are a blowhard that wants to insist that sexism or racism or other isms don't exist despite all evidence to the contrary), it opens up conversation for people to look at the interplay of these systems through different lenses.
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ledboots
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She gave her opinion on the topic, which I agree with.
"Oh yes! Let's play oppression Olympics!" can very much be interpreted as a backhanded dismissal of this particular topic.
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On the topic, since it's mostly subjective, I think specieism bothers me the least, because we as humans cannot fully understand their experiences due to communication difficulties. And since I'm probably a specieist myself, it makes sense to pick it.
A duel at midnight.
A duel at midnight.
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Only one person in this thread is attempting to suppress the discussion. I'll give you a hint: it's you.
It's his job to enforce the rules and try to keep discussions on topic. Sometimes that means stopping off-topic discussions. Nothing controversial with that.
kibbleforlola
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The vast majority of humans wouldn't be considered racist or sexist, but 98-99% of the human population would be considered specieist. I don't see how they're part of the same system.
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Surely, you're joking. Both those things are everywhere.
*this same sentiment was communicated in a much more succinct format, but that post was deemed "off topic".
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