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Lou said:
I'm pretty much convinced you can't be a Trump supporter and not be racist.
I could give you like 50 examples of racist things that Trump has said and done. I really can't see you supporting him unless you agree with those things.
However part of me will give the Evangelicals a pass. Maybe they are just that single-minded.
but... maybe not. All the Catholics I know voted for Biden.
Also, putting brown children in cages. I can't see how that jives with anything Chrisitian. But totally matches up with being a good racist. :)
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There are people who voted for Trump because they support his economic policies. However, those people choose to discount Trump's racist and divisive speech.
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My Catholic/Republican friends voted for Trump because of the abortion issue. They will vote strictly on that one platform.
They also want to stop illegal immigration and believe the economy does better when a Republican is in office. These are the three main issues. They also believe democrats will bring socialism.
 
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There are people who voted for Trump because they support his economic policies. However, those people choose to discount Trump's racist and divisive speech.
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I've heard that said. I may have even heard people say that. But I just can't buy it. If you actually hear what the guy says, and watch what that guys does, and feel its ok. well if you're not racist then you must be delusional.
 
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KLS52 said:
My Catholic/Republican friends voted for Trump because of the abortion issue. They will vote strictly on that one platform.
They also want to stop illegal immigration and believe the economy does better when a Republican is in office. These are the three main issues. They also believe democrats will bring socialism.
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As a vegan, I do understand/emphatize with the anti abortion movement embracing Trump. I understand the there can be one thing that you deem so awful or evil that you will support anyone or anything that stands against it. Kind of like the lesser of two evils thing.

However, I think most ProLifers are religious. And I just can't see how they can just blind themselves to everything else. I mean lets say Trump said he would ban factory farming. I still wouldn't vote for him.

the other two issues I think I'll just leave them alone for now. Its not like I'm actually convincing anyone. Preaching to the choir.
 
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Lou said:
I'm pretty much convinced you can't be a Trump supporter and not be racist.
I could give you like 50 examples of racist things that Trump has said and done. I really can't see you supporting him unless you agree with those things.
However part of me will give the Evangelicals a pass. Maybe they are just that single-minded.
but... maybe not. All the Catholics I know voted for Biden.
Also, putting brown children in cages. I can't see how that jives with anything Chrisitian. But totally matches up with being a good racist. :)
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[Commencing rant.]

Of course you can be a Trump supporter and not be racist!

It could be because you don't realize/think Trump is racist, for starters. Not everyone who supports Trump follows a range of media like we do and knows everything he said. Only by building up a picture of a number of his comments and policies can we be sure he is racist. Some people just haven't done it.

But more importantly, some people are weighing up the pros and cons and factoring in various factors. Why should being a racist automatically eclipse all other concerns? That is the left's attitude, not the American people's. A lot of the right - and centre - that the left are a bunch of lunatics that want to stop free speech on college campuses, defund the police, require/insist people get on their knees even though they as individual did nothing, trash people on social media and destroy them for the slightest mistake related to any social justice agenda. Some of this is justified, some of it is exaggerated and some of it is just mad (e.g. the democrats are "communists"). They are weighting up the negatives of Trump against perceived negatives of the left, not ignoring them.

Another thing that the left seems to be missing is that the left judges a person's moral character to a greater extent, while the right looks at policies. If you think the democrats are going to allow so many abortions that millions of babies will be killed, or you think that the democrats are not on the side of God, or that the democrats are destroying freedom of speech (regardless of the fact that none of that is actually true), then you don't care that Trump made some imperfect comment against Mexicans. From their point of view, it is just a lot less important. That doesn't make them racist.

A rich business owner voting Trump because he thinks Trump is more likely to give him a tax break isn't racist. He just wants a tax break.

Then again, some of them are racist for sure. Maybe most are at least a little bit. But not all!

And this type of attitude that liberals think the other side is racist is actually in my view what turns people off the left. People hate the constant moral judging of the left. That may be part of the reason they voted Trump!

[End rant.]
 
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Lou said:
As a vegan, I do understand/emphatize with the anti abortion movement embracing Trump. I understand the there can be one thing that you deem so awful or evil that you will support anyone or anything that stands against it. Kind of like the lesser of two evils thing.

However, I think most ProLifers are religious. And I just can't see how they can just blind themselves to everything else. I mean lets say Trump said he would ban factory farming. I still wouldn't vote for him.

the other two issues I think I'll just leave them alone for now. Its not like I'm actually convincing anyone. Preaching to the choir.
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The pull of religion is very strong, and it drives the pro-life crowd and their single-issue stance above all else. If Catholics who support Trump truly believed in their religion, they'd be just as appalled with his adultery and multiple marriages as they are with pro-choice people. Religion totally breeds multiple layers of hypocrisy.

I've heard more than one family member claim not to be racist despite supporting Trump, but in the same breath their white privilege (and the desire to maintain it) comes through loud and clear when they start complaining about immigration and welfare and how people of color are mostly criminals and just leech off the system, etc. It's disgusting.
 
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Lou said:
I'm pretty much convinced you can't be a Trump supporter and not be racist.
I could give you like 50 examples of racist things that Trump has said and done. I really can't see you supporting him unless you agree with those things.
However part of me will give the Evangelicals a pass. Maybe they are just that single-minded.
but... maybe not. All the Catholics I know voted for Biden.
Also, putting brown children in cages. I can't see how that jives with anything Chrisitian. But totally matches up with being a good racist. :)
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I think he's more sexist than racist.
 
Our local news replayed a segment from the B&B Biden stayed at for the Cleveland debates, how he stopped by the nextdoor bakery and thanked them for the treats. Just nice to know we have a president who's not a sociopath.
There was so much positivity from all the neighbors in my nextdoor site too, from the area
 
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silva said:
Our local news replayed a segment from the B&B Biden stayed at for the Cleveland debates, how he stopped by the nextdoor bakery and thanked them for the treats. Just nice to know we have a president who's not a sociopath.
There was so much positivity from all the neighbors in my nextdoor site too, from the area
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If he was a sociopath you wouldn't know by now, that's the thing about sociopaths.
 
It was at 11:50 est. I was lucky I had just turned it on. I would have been mad too if I missed it.
 
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