Lou
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(in a heavy Russian accent). Hello Comrade Citizen. Now you must mask put on.
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You think that's communism ?
It's not 
So. How about that neighbor with the rapidly growing bedbug population?
Or the increasing amounts of garbage that attracts rats, cockroaches, and a putrid smell?
Or their dogs they keep on short chains in all weather-your city has no ordinances as they are considered property
Your ideas of right's don't work for all. Why we have restrictions.
...oh, and what about those restaurant workers required to wash their hands? That's a personal decision, as well as for healthcare workers. Why should they be required to wear masks?
Lou
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Robert J. Samuelson recently wrote: "We face a choice between a society where people accept modest sacrifices for a common good or a more contentious society where groups selfishly protect their own benefits."
Appeals to the common good have also surfaced in discussions of business' social responsibilities, discussions of environmental pollution, discussions of our lack of investment in education, and discussions of the problems of crime and poverty. Everywhere, it seems, social commentators are claiming that our most fundamental social problems grow out of a widespread lack of commitment to the common good, coupled with an equally widespread pursuit of individual interests.
The Common Good vs Individualism
This article looks at societal issues as a result of the lack of interest in the common good of society and the emphasis on individual success.
www.scu.edu
Maybe that is more like socialism than communism - but whatever.
Seatbelts, speed limits, no smoking sections are all good examples.
I called to the corona vaccination line and the person told me that I can't get the second shot yet unless I have a good enough reason for example, travelling abroad. She also said that if the second shot is taken too early, the protection can even be weaker, because the body needs time to adapt. So I just have to wait. One of the reasons might also be that there aren't enough vaccines for everyone and that's why the first shot is priority.
Last night I made an appointment online, but it was for the first shot. Apparently you can't make an appointment for the second one by yourself.
Confusing. I don't understand why going to school isn't good enough reason to get fully vaccinated.
Well, I'm probably going to get the COVID no matter what I do. But that means I'll probably also spread it, and then those who got it from me keep spreading it further and so on and so on. It's crazy.
But I'll keep using the mask, washing hands and avoiding people.
Last night I made an appointment online, but it was for the first shot. Apparently you can't make an appointment for the second one by yourself.
Confusing. I don't understand why going to school isn't good enough reason to get fully vaccinated.
Well, I'm probably going to get the COVID no matter what I do. But that means I'll probably also spread it, and then those who got it from me keep spreading it further and so on and so on. It's crazy.
But I'll keep using the mask, washing hands and avoiding people.
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David3
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For some stupid reason, no. I asked.
This was so ahead of its time 2018:
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David3
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.For some stupid reason, no. I asked.
This was so ahead of its time 2018:
Bubble Boy ('01 movie version) by Jambreaker on DeviantArt
Which school do you attend?
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I think it's called vocational school. I'll be trained to become a gardener. I applied because I didn't get a job, but now I wonder if it's really even worth it. I'll just get another certificate and then afterwards I'll be jobless again. If I even survive the goddamn COVID.
David3
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Hmm, you sound a bit like me when I neglect to take my antidepressant medication during the winter months.
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Wouldn't be surprised if you were serious.
It's hard to get a job here where I live. I'm still applying and am not picky. I'm sorry about the existential crisis rant.
Why Vegans May Be Exempt From Compulsory COVID-19 Vaccinations
Experts say vegans may be exempt from being forced to get COVID-19 vaccinations due to legal rights. Is the vaccine vegan?
plantbasednews.org
Vegans will be exempt from COVID-19 vaccinations if their workplaces enforce compulsory policies, according to legal experts.
Moreover, employers may be at risk of legal action if they ‘insist’, reports claim.
This applies to the UK
David3
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.Why Vegans May Be Exempt From Compulsory COVID-19 Vaccinations
Experts say vegans may be exempt from being forced to get COVID-19 vaccinations due to legal rights. Is the vaccine vegan?
Vegans will be exempt from COVID-19 vaccinations if their workplaces enforce compulsory policies, according to legal experts.
Moreover, employers may be at risk of legal action if they ‘insist’, reports claim.
This applies to the UK
This may be a problem. Other groups of people (Church of Christ, Scientist) may also claim religious exemption from vaccines. Problem is, even vegans can spread COVID, and COVID can kill.
Oh brother- a sudden increase in vegans
My big issue with this is that when we have surges of cases, we have more treatments that require animal testing, and animal products. Are those same vegans who won't get vaccinated due to animal use in the vaccines going to also exempt themselves from being treated if they come down with covid? Hmmm? People seem to have a change of heart when needing a ventilator.
Sometimes playing devils advocate with proactive treatments can reduce the overall harm
Like getting an exterminator at the first sign of bedbugs rather than after millions more are born and affect a whole building
Lou
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I never gave getting the vaccine (or any vaccine) more than a second thought.
But then I'm one of those ppl who don't aspire to being a perfect vegan.
But this is exactly why we need to reach whatever threshold there is for herd immunity. So that a small percentage of population who are
too young
too old
too sick
or have REAL issues with vaccines
don't need to get vaccinated just to protect others.
I think the Hasidic Jews in NY have pretty much revealed the shortcomings of herd immunity. I don't think vegans will an issue. but I still think Jews and Vegans should thing again before refusing vaccine.
But then I'm one of those ppl who don't aspire to being a perfect vegan.
But this is exactly why we need to reach whatever threshold there is for herd immunity. So that a small percentage of population who are
too young
too old
too sick
or have REAL issues with vaccines
don't need to get vaccinated just to protect others.
I think the Hasidic Jews in NY have pretty much revealed the shortcomings of herd immunity. I don't think vegans will an issue. but I still think Jews and Vegans should thing again before refusing vaccine.
Lou
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Last December, the pharmaceutical company Pfizer came under fire for involving controversial animal testing in developing its COVID-19 vaccine.
However, the vaccine does not contain ingredients derived from animals, and many vegan doctors suggest vegans still take it.
The Vegan Society even released a statement endorsing it.
It reads: “It has never been more important for us to talk about the definition of veganism in the context of medications, including vaccines.
“The definition of veganism recognizes that it is not always possible or practicable to avoid animal use, which is particularly relevant to medical situations.
“In the case of COVID-19, vaccination will play a fundamental role in tackling the pandemic and saving lives. …All vaccines currently are tested on animals.
“At this stage it is impossible to have a vaccine that has been created without animal use.”
Why Vegans May Be Exempt From Compulsory COVID-19 Vaccinations
Experts say vegans may be exempt from being forced to get COVID-19 vaccinations due to legal rights. Is the vaccine vegan?
plantbasednews.org
This isn't just communism it's state communism! As if the government is fit to decide what's the common good, because the government is totally altruistic and doesn't have any self serving interest, and they only care about the common good.
Just look at all these wonderful communist leaders who where by no means self serving.
en.wikipedia.org
Category:Communist rulers - Wikipedia
David3
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Have you made plans to visit Northern Florida yet? Those overworked doctors and nurses need help with the COVID surge, caused by liberty-minded people refusing to get vaccinated! Go serve your convictions, young anarchist!
You've done nothing here but rally about the freedoms YOU think important. You have made it clear in other threads that there are many personal liberties you do not feel as important
Mandating public is not communism. You know what is? Free health care
It's hard to imagine you've grown up with much diversity, or, adversity.
There are posts that have been directed at you for your response
The fundamental flaw that makes all authoritarian argument irrelevant is that they assume that rulers will be completely altruistic and only do what's best for the people, this assumption is fundamentally untrue, rulers will be self serving, there's a reason why every dictator in history has done things for their own gain at the people's expense, in fact all governments are self serving that's why we need to limit government power.
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