The Everything Non-Dairy Thread

[FredVegrox]

yeah. its mostly the fruit vs vegetable thing.
Which I think is mostly resolved by its context or who is saying it.
Botanists will tell you that the part of the carrot plant we eat is a root.
And botanists will tell you that the part of the tomato plant we eat is a fruit.
but grocers don't really care. they are vegetables unless they are seeds, nuts, grains, berries, or fruits that grow on trees (like apples and oranges).
It's an entertaining debate and probably of interest to 4th graders. But I'm not sure it has much use.

It went to network news, linked to there, because a case involved it that went to the Supreme Court. So, it does have significant use. But as said, everything from plants useful and had for food is a vegetable, the way it originally was meant. Mushrooms are already fully excluded from that, I am one of the few that say I really eat my food all from only plants. Fruits, grains, nuts, and seeds, became recognized as separate categories, for food, they still did not correspond to botanical categories. The plant parts that are botanically fruits or grains are in some cases recognized still as vegetables, so, vegetables is left meaning edible plant parts useful and had for food, but not all of them. They are if they are roots for this, tubers for this, stalks for this, leaves for this, or flowers for this, fruits sometimes for this (but not if sweet!), and grains sometimes for this, and never nuts for this, and never seeds for this. So vegetables is really arbitrary as a category, and there is no basis still in this for mushrooms being included with them. Plants are not opisthokonts, mushrooms and the fungi they are parts from are, and we humans and all animals are opisthokonts with them. Plant-based milks from nuts or grains are still food from plants, and hummus and salsa I get are food from plants as well, so all my food is still really just from plants, and it really is enough for me, I like all the food I am making. I wouldn't want something that I can't distinguish from anything really from any used animal.

 

[Lou]

plant food that looks like an animal

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[silva]

 

[Lou]

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Did you make that? I want some!

 

[silva]

Did you make that? I want some!

Do you recognize it?
(it isn't seitan)

 

[Lou]

Do you recognize it?
(it isn't seitan)

That is what I thought it was.

 

[silva]

That is what I thought it was.

It's watermelon, marinated and grilled. I've tried it and it is more reminisent of grilling flesh than anything I've seen, cause it has that textural look of very rare meat.
It wasn't bad, but I liked it better cold in the sweet, salty, lightly smoky marinade than hot

My point was just that things that people deem 'fake' meats are really just their own opinion, and nothing to do with being 'fake'

 

[silva]

Oh dang....it's the non dairy thread!
I'm going to make a cheese sauce for pasta with red lentils and cashew blended with some vegan cheddar

 

[KLS52]

Oh dang....it's the non dairy thread!
I'm going to make a cheese sauce for pasta with red lentils and cashew blended with some vegan cheddar

I'll be honest...I had no idea what it was but it looked good. I thought maybe it was in the wrong thread because it didn't look like non dairy dairy lol.

 

[Lou]

Oh dang....it's the non dairy thread!
I'm going to make a cheese sauce for pasta with red lentils and cashew blended with some vegan cheddar

Well, it's ok. you were responding to @FredVegrox " I wouldn't want something that I can't distinguish from anything really from any used animal."

 

[FredVegrox]

Anything like watermelon, or carrot, or seitan can be made with cooking to resemble meat in ways and can be in food in place of meat there. Those are whole foods too, I would eat those and it would not bother me as there is still some distinction I would notice. Those processed things, which as such I generally exclude, can sometimes be so much like animal flesh, it would not interest me. This is like when I one time went with other vegans to a vegan restaurant, and at least several of us got a burger entry. That had what I could not distinguish from meat of animal flesh. The others raved about it but that still made me uncomfortable.

The milk I use now is rice milk, it is not what I choose because I think it tastes so much better. I started using it when I found it was fortified with vitamin B12, other nondairy milks I found were not. I just use it these days for any coffee when I have it, and oatmeal. When it was getting hot when summer was last starting I used the rice milk with a raisin bran of a brand which I found was also fortified with vitamin B12. They are fortified with other vitamins but the B12 mattered to me.

 

[Lou]

All I buy is soy milk. and since the pandemic all I can find in the stores is Silk. Silk original, vanilla and unsweetened. Most of the time when I'm in the store I get 2 half gallons. My first choice is one vanilla and one original.
The reason I buy soy milk is predominately the amount of protein. Almonds milk and oat milk might have one g of protein. Soy milk usually has 8. I have soy milk in my morning oat meal and also either as a snack or smoothie. Big help in meeting my minimum protein requirement.
As a plus, Silk has a special bend of vitamins and minerals they add to their milk.
"The soy milk is fortified with vitamins A, B2, B12 and D2, providing 100% of the RDA for B12, per serving and a smaller percentage of other vitamins and minerals."

 

[KLS52]

When I buy soymilk that is one I get.
I use almond milk for the most part, mainly for the lower calories and calcium.

 

[Emma JC]

still an oat milk kinda gal - I don't drink much - it has 3 g of protein and is B12 fortified

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[FredVegrox]

I guess for some reason I did not want to check the soy milk. I know I never tried soy milk before. But indeed it has B12 in it, more significantly. So I got it and am trying it now. I had a litte with coffee but was getting sick already, so I can't be sure how well it went with it. I am better just now though, and it will have more chances.

 

[silva]

I guess for some reason I did not want to check the soy milk. I know I never tried soy milk before. But indeed it has B12 in it, more significantly. So I got it and am trying it now. I had a litte with coffee but was getting sick already, so I can't be sure how well it went with it. I am better just now though, and it will have more chances.

You've posted before about looking for foods fortified with B12, but I'm so curious why not just get a supplement to take once a week and be sure? It's really much cheaper than fortified foods.

 

[FredVegrox]

Yes, I had said supplements for vitamin B12, which I had been getting, I had run out of, and was just making food trips then, it made sense to me to buy things I could find fortified with it. With effort I found some things, including Impossible Burger meat, with it. I did not continue with getting that and a few other things fortified with it. But I did continue with the milk options I found with it, rice milk then, and just now with soy milk, and one brand of raisin bran, a cheaper brand for some reason, such things I am actually getting anyway, I just choose those ones that are fortified with that vitamin. It is no great change that way. But having vitamin B12 only once a week? Really? Is that how you do it?

I use a few other sites, and I would want vegans I reach to join me in my brand new group for them on Telegram, if they use that,

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I mentioned I am on Mastodon, as Fred Vegbur,
I went back to an old account I had earlier on what is now 𝕏, and want vegans using that to connect with me there. Look for me there please if you use it, to connect, I am Fred V Bur.

 

[FredVegrox]

My Telegram group is really new I had just started it then, after finding one single vegan group on Telegram, very large with people still joining it after I joined in it, but not active at all for several years and no way to post. So my group will be it. On Mastodon the profile name is written as FredVegBur.

I am now starting with the second carton of soy milk that I ever had. For use in coffee it is about the same as what I used before. It works with my oatmeal with fruit and protein powder I still put in it, I have no complaint with it. But the additional amount of vitamin B12 it is fortified with is only slightly more than the vitamin B12 that the rice milk I had used is fortified with. I have supplements I take for it anyway, now. I will be more sure of getting enough.

 

[FredVegrox]

Even if I had vitamin B12 supplements all along, I can't be sure I absorb enough of the vitamin adequately. I am more sure now I should get some food now with being vitamin B12 fortified. Right now I have only the soy milk with vitamin B12 in it. I would use it with the fortified raisin bran but I am out and not getting it while I eat hot oatmeal through this colder season. I still put some of the soy milk in it, probably not as much as I will put with cold cereal.

I did not get new followers yet for my 𝕏 account that I was resuming activity on. My posts are mentioning veganism now, and I am seeing a significant drop of followers, it is certain that many followers I have from previous use are not vegan, but my messages will still speak for being vegan. I found a few who are vegan on 𝕏, who I follow, but have not been followed back by those ones.

 

[silva]

Even if I had vitamin B12 supplements all along, I can't be sure I absorb enough of the vitamin adequately. I am more sure now I should get some food now with being vitamin B12 fortified. Right now I have only the soy milk with vitamin B12 in it. I would use it with the fortified raisin bran but I am out and not getting it while I eat hot oatmeal through this colder season. I still put some of the soy milk in it, probably not as much as I will put with cold cereal.

I did not get new followers yet for my 𝕏 account that I was resuming activity on. My posts are mentioning veganism now, and I am seeing a significant drop of followers, it is certain that many followers I have from previous use are not vegan, but my messages will still speak for being vegan. I found a few who are vegan on 𝕏, who I follow, but have not been followed back by those ones.

Why do you think the B12 they supplement foods with is any different than the B12 you supplement as sublinguals? It's actually better to take on an empty stomach

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