US The so-called "boy crisis" isn't real

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URGH. It's so frustrating because I know you know very well what gripes people have with you. You're not stupid and are actually pretty well-rounded, but your presentation leaves much to be desired and certain things that have been revealed about you are very shady.
 
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Consider it enlightened self-interest, if you need to. Our society does worse if we restrict peoples' actions on grounds of gender, race, religion, etc.

Aye, this would be at the heart of my reservations over 'positive' discrimination also.


It is one thing to want to dismantle any existing discriminatory practices but entirely another thing to replace one form of discrimination with another.

Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination ..
 
URGH. It's so frustrating because I know you know very well what gripes people have with you.

The question you ignored was "What "same sexist arguments" am I (Das) making in this thread"

Quoting Das's "same sexist arguments" would be really easy unless he hadn't actualy made any.

The right thing to do would be to quote Das or to retract and apologise.
 
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Since quoting das_nut's sexist arguments would entail quoting every single post in this thread, resulting in way too long a post - though it might be interesting to see it all back to back - I think FortyTwo is off the hook.
 
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Quote one of them then.
Why quote just one, when all are the posts of a person with a sexist attitude? Take your pick.

As to why they are sexist, consider Group A, who has benefited from the oppression of Group B for generations. Any member of Group A who thinks any gain in equality by members of Group B is a harm to members of Group A is not supporting real equality between members of Groups A and B. When members of Group B begin to acquire some of the benefits of being seen as equal to members of Group A, members of Group A will by necessity be giving up some of the advantages they have enjoyed exclusively. In the case of women gaining opportunities that have been denied them in the past, men who see this as harming them by taking away their own opportunities are sexist.

There are only finite numbers of opportunities available in society. Giving some of these opportunities, that used to be exclusive to men only, to women, means some men are going to lose these opportunities. There's no way to get around this, and to object to it because it takes something away from some men is sexist.

So if you are the kind of man who thinks "well ok, I don't mind equality between the sexes as long as I still get everything I want, and so does every other man", you're a sexist, because you see any advantage achieved by women as taking something away from you. Something you as men are entitled to simply because you are men, and shouldn't have to sacrifice to anyone else unless it doesn't cost you anything.

The issue raised in the original post was the myth that boys are experiencing a crisis because girls are outperforming them in school. To see this as a crisis is sexist, to argue that it is a crisis is sexist, therefore you can choose any post you please that argues for the existence of a boy crisis being caused by girls doing better in school. It will be sexist.
 
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As to why they are sexist, consider Group A, who has benefited from the oppression of Group B for generations. Any member of Group A who thinks any gain in equality by members of Group B is a harm to members of Group A is not supporting real equality between members of Groups A and B. When members of Group B begin to acquire some of the benefits of being seen as equal to members of Group A, members of Group A will by necessity be giving up some of the advantages they have enjoyed exclusively.

Why do you think that gender equality is a zero sum game?

Why do you think that for girls to do better in education, boys have to do worse?

So if you are the kind of man who thinks "well ok, I don't mind equality between the sexes as long as I still get everything I want, and so does every other man", you're a sexist, because you see any advantage achieved by women as taking something away from you.

I'm arguing that we should bring all groups up to level of the highest performing group.

You seem to think that any advantage a girl makes must be at the expense of boys.

You are the one that appears to be arguing that any advantage girls get in education must have been taken away from boys. You appear to fit your own definition of a sexist: "[A] sexist, see[ s] any advantage achieved by women as taking something away from [men]".
 
All right. Tell us, what can we do as a society to help testosterone-disadvantaged members of our adolescent population obtain higher grades without it simply becoming another situation of pandering to men and creating a dozen more inequalities for women to face?

The lovely thing about these utopian types of arguments is that they too often rant about something without proposing a solution. And in this case, any proposed solution would be, plain and simple, a continuation of sexual oppression. Unless we do genetic engineering or something on a mass scale, and I don't think most people would go for that.
 
All right. Tell us, what can we do as a society to help testosterone-disadvantaged members of our adolescent population obtain higher grades without it simply becoming another situation of pandering to men and creating a dozen more inequalities for women to face?

The lovely thing about these utopian types of arguments is that they too often rant about something without proposing a solution. And in this case, any proposed solution would be, plain and simple, a continuation of sexual oppression. Unless we do genetic engineering or something on a mass scale, and I don't think most people would go for that.

You ask me about what society can do, then in the same post, decry all possible solutions as flawed.

I take it that your question what rhetorical, and you've already made up your mind about any answer, even before it is offered.
 
Maybe the boys could, I don't know, do their homework. Study for exams.

But that is oppression, they shouldn't have to try that hard.
 
I will if you'll quote my "sexist" post in this thread first.



I can't wait to hear your views on why test scores differ by race.

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